Episode #92 – Racism in a Mental Health Context with Mr. Scotty T. Reid Part I

The guys are back after a little break and they invite Scotty Reid to the show to talk about Racism. 

There are some things going on in the local community that relate directly to the racial issues that are going on in our country and Scotty has some interesting insights.  They talk about current affairs, statues and monuments, the police, George Floyd and how it all relates to our Mental Health.  They also ask and talk about the answer, “what is the answer to Racism?”.

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Chris Gazdik: [00:00:00] Hello. I am Chris Gazdik and we are back in production of Through a Therapist’s Eyes. He is Craig graves. I am a mental health and substance abuse therapist. Do you have a book coming available soon Rediscovering Emotions and Becoming Your Best Self Craig, are you an unbeatable mind coach?

Craig Graves: [00:00:18] Yes, I am. Sir.

Chris Gazdik: [00:00:19] All right. We welcome you to Through a Therapist’s Eyes the podcast, see the world through the lens of a therapist and a coach, but being aware is not to delivery of therapy services in any way. Check us out on, on the website throughatherapistseyes.com. Where now you can get a full show transcribed for transcription or read the transcription.

Anyway, it’s pretty new, quite a new, of stuff we got on the website, right?

Craig Graves: [00:00:45] Yeah. Yeah. And we don’t have them all yet. We’re working on it, but they’re getting there.

Chris Gazdik: [00:00:49] So this is the human emotional experience. Shall we figure this thing out together? You say, yes,

Craig Graves: [00:00:57] I do. Let’s do it.

Chris Gazdik: [00:00:58] Yeah. You know, we’re doing an intro here and we had some, we had a guest that we introduce here in a little bit.

And so that was a, a rousing conversation. my brains twisted back and forth, Craig being coming back and not having in the flow of doing your shows, honestly, audience, I just recorded that little intro. What maybe four times. Yeah, I’ve never done that before.

Craig Graves: [00:01:20] It took awhile to get it right. He kept stumbling over himself.

Chris Gazdik: [00:01:23] Never done that before, but that’s happens. It happens. So, And want to bring us into this topic. We have racism in a mental health context with Mr. Scotty Reid, and we’re doing a part one and part two. So we have a lot to say about this stuff. Manners. There’s a lot going on in our world, Craig. And we just got done having the conversations, you know, where we’re, we’re now setting up the conversation that we had with him.

And in, in way of doing that, I have several things I want to cover. so we have about 45 minutes with him coming up. you know, I did a, I did a pretty strong show prep for this show. Craig was really excited and want to do a good job on the issue of racism. And I looked at our shows, cause I like to highlight shows that we’ve done episodes that we’ve done in the past that are really important, that, that factor into the show that we’re currently doing, because this show is cool in that it builds on itself, man.

I mean, there’s so much to learn. There’s so much to get. And I’ve never said this before. I’ve done that before. Right. You know, cited past episodes. Have you ever heard me say likely all of the past shows apply to the show in one form or another?

Craig Graves: [00:02:30] I haven’t heard you say that. No. Right. You’re probably right now that I think about it.

There’s definitely a lot of intersection with this topic and some of the things that you’ve done in the past. So yeah, that’s pretty good observation, man.

Chris Gazdik: [00:02:41] You know, all of them, but I did down, I will go down and look at it. I said, episode four, compound trauma, the real issue behind police shootings of violence.

That’s gotta be listened to and understood from the context of this episode, episode 72 fear, our friend or foe episode 54, your emotions are lying to you or are they. Episode 13, stop a bully in three steps. We definitely talk about you remember Craig during talking to Mr. Reid? moral courage. Yeah, absolutely.

Man, what we need when we think we see a problem episode 40 conflict resolution in mental health episode 36 pulled in you’re forging mental toughness. You have to do that. If somebody’s putting prejudice on you, it’s a lot of emotional skills to avoid falling into false beliefs about yourself. Right?

Episode 69, how to create hopefulness episode 63 stuck spots. What are they and how do we get out episode 81, domestic violence and discrimination with Estelle, California. You remember she talked about racism in that show. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yup. I don’t have time because we have so much to cover today.

But man, if you listened to her quotes about her experience of racism and prejudice and whatnot in our country, compared to France, you guys really need to listen to that episode. Definitely. It was a, it was, it blew my brain away to listen to her. Talk about that. Did you think about that since we’ve been talking about racism?

Craig Graves: [00:04:01] I haven’t thought about that since we, since we started talking and I haven’t thought about that episode specifically, but I did remember that now. It’s fascinating. Yeah, it does fit.

Chris Gazdik: [00:04:10] Big time. It definitely does LOL, right. Episode 23. How do I access mental health? That episode? We definitely need that one.

If you’re listening to this one, you know who Martin Luther King is? Mr. Graves.

Craig Graves: [00:04:25] I heard of him a time or two. Yeah.

Chris Gazdik: [00:04:27] I thought that it would be a really fitting thing to start out with Mr. Martin Luther King, jr. Quotes to set up our discussion. Not so many people know about these quotes they know about, I have a dream.

And he goes on and what a powerful speaker he was about those issues. I chose a couple of quotes. Now that they’re pretty fitting in what we’re going to be talking about tonight. Quote, “Science investigates, religion interprets science gives man knowledge, which is power. Religion gives man wisdom, which has control. Science deals mainly with facts, religion deals mainly with values. The two are not rivals.” Unquote. I think that sets up an intelligent conversation that we’re going to have with Mr. Scotty Reid, second quote, “The limitations of riots, moral questions aside. Is that they cannot win. And their participants know it. Hence writing is not revolutionary, but reactionary because it in fights defeat, it involves an emotional catharsis, but it must be followed by a sense of futility.”

 Very powerful quotes. If you asked me from our one, Mr. Martin Luther King, jr. And I think that sets up our conversation with a. With Scotty reads and now I’ll give it an introduction to him in a little bit, but I wanted to kind of, we didn’t really get to a lot with, with him when we were discussing all of that, but wanted to kind of set this up with a lot of editorials about our current, issues we have in our, in our area with a Confederate soldier in the monument that, he, he has put a lot of effort into advocating for the removal and replacement of.

so I wanted to go down through them because I think that they set up a lot of opinions, a lot of feelings that people have a lot of, a lot of emotions that people have. Cause keep in mind during our whole conversation here, believe mental health to be in the direct center of all of this stuff. Not parallel, not secondary.

A primary direct center hit shot on what’s going on. When we’re talking about race relations and racial issues, it’s feelings, it’s powerful emotions. It’s psychological dynamics that go on and we’re going to be talking about some of them. Okay. So setting it up, got a little bit of reading that I wanted to got to go into and you’ll, you’ll understand some of, Mr. Reid’s comments, you know, Scotty talked about his feelings and. And his experiences in, in what it is that, that we’re trying to deal with in insofar as racist. And I think that this discussion and, and, and process that we’re going through with making a decision on the removal of the Confederate soldiers is something that’s pretty commonly happening across the country.

Would you agree with that? With why our situation of the Confederate soldier statue, monument removal is very consistent with what’s going on across our country.

Craig Graves: [00:07:35] I would agree with that to some extent. Yeah. yeah. One of the interesting things that that Scott has said is he’s not trying to get rid of it or tear it down, but to move it because he doesn’t think the history should, should be forgotten.

Whereas I have seen many statues on TV and the internet being torn down completely. By people who are, you know, emotional, emotional and rioting, it doesn’t sound like to me. And I thought that was a very interesting. The fact that he wants to keep it and just move it to a location where it can still be remembered.

His history I thought was fascinating.

Chris Gazdik: [00:08:10] And did you also notice that he was talking about how are police officers local and his experiences on the street and all the he’s been to several rallies? Yes. Yes.

Craig Graves: [00:08:19] So he spoke very highly of the police, local police departments here in our area for ’em. You know, letting them protest peacefully without any kind of, ramifications, which is our right to do so under the constitution.

Chris Gazdik: [00:08:31] So you feel like, and hope and now believe that locally we’re kind of doing it.

Craig Graves: [00:08:37] Yeah. Yeah. And I met some of the guys on the police forces that Scotty mentions and then, you know, they’re great, great people, brothers and, So it was good to hear that there’s that dynamic there.

Chris Gazdik: [00:08:47] So one way of understanding people’s views.

I thought I’d go with our little current events reality, right? And it’s a lot of reading, but I want to go through it sets up our conversation with opinions and feelings and emotions, which I believe indicate mental health is directly in the middle of these issues. Letter to the editor. Racism must end symbols of racist.

Past must be removed. So this is a group that is paying a lot of attention to this removal and, and how they’re and how they’re looking at things. So this letter is responsible opinion. Letter the gas exhibit ran on titled more important issues than a Confederate statute written by Gaston County resident, Bob Lancaster, our group, the Gaston County fReidom fighters.

One of the groups, Mr. Lancaster references in his letters working to have the Confederate monument on the grounds of the Gaston County courthouse, relocated to a more appropriate location. We begin by thanking Mr. Lancaster for his services country, as he mentioned in his letter that he is a veteran. He mentioned that he fought for our rights to protest yet simultaneously makes disrespectful comments when we exercise.

Those rights onward in the editorial. It says the overall thesis of his letter is that instead of worrying about where a statute, where a statute sits, groups that are working toward relocating, it should focus on the other issues in the black community, such as black on black crime. He also implies that only people in the black community are working to have the statute relocated onward.

She says, Mr. Lancaster goes on to diminish the experiences and concerns of others as symbolic silliness. And claims that removing the statue, not functionally help one single black person. The truth is that removing a reminder of hate and oppression will most certainly improve the message are those effected by its presence and especially in the place of prominence, that should be representative and inclusive of all citizens.

They even mentioned Craig’s is your mental health right in the middle of all this stuff, man. And by the way, this, this sets up our conversation that we have Mr. Reid. And we’re going to talk about these things, especially during part two and Craig and I are rambling. Onward. She says we would like to take this opportunity to respond to some of Mr.

Lancaster’s points, specifically those on crime and systemic racism. First, Mr. Lancaster’s used statistics that in a multiple instances are biased, outdated, or simply not supported by the reliable source. In order to perpetrate narrative that black people were criminals. This tactical focusing on black on black crime is often used question.

The Mark morals of black people over to truth is that most crimes are committed. Interracially to summarize this next part. She says, basically people live in white communities commit, you know, against white people and black people against black people. Cause you just lived in proxemics and that’s, she’s making a point statistically of all that on word she says, lastly, you take great issue with Mr.

Lancaster statement that systemic racism is a fraud. He claims black family breakdown and fatherless homes for high crime rates among African Americans and claims that racism and poverty had nothing to do with crime. However racism and poverty are directly related to crime rates because systemic racism affects all of the following areas.

Quality of education, children receiving school, mass incarceration that disproportionately affects black people and black fathers and underemployment in the black community, difficulty buying homes, voter suppression, and more Mr. Lancaster remits only that individual racism exists, but fails to realize that individual racism such as that of Confederate vice-president Alexander Stephens, more on that.

You’ll see in a second. Hello are some statistics about systemic racism or messed it up such as that if Confederate vice-president Alexander Stephens creates racist policies and systems that continue to affect black people to this day, and then a she listed statistics, and this will all be on the group notes bar, the show notes, by the way, right now he says, he says, yes, moving on and wrapping her up.

Finally, we would like to make, to address the comment made by mr. Lancaster regarding our efforts to relocate the monument. He stated that these efforts make re racism worse, and that we need to quote unquote, give a little in truth. We’re being very diplomatic and asking for the statute to be relocated to a museum or Confederate cemetery, instead of asking for it, be destroyed.

We have not restored it to violence or destruction. Our goal is not division, but unity. If mr. Lancaster or anyone else. Who was interested. We’d like to have an kind open-minded conversation with us. We welcome anyone to come to one of our protests to reach out to our group, following the guest County fReidom fighters on Facebook.

And lastly, she says the relocation of the statute would be fitting decision for our County and country and would show that our commissioners value and support of their constituents. This statue represents a dead Confederacy. She was main. Objective is going to war, was to continue to expand slavery.

This fact is corroborated by the American civil war museum. Not to mention the vice president. Let’s say this though, Craig, not to mention the vice president of the Confederacy, Alexander Stephens, who said they have it here. Our new government is founded exactly upon the opposite idea. It’s foundations are laid its cornerstone wrists upon the great truth that the Negro is not equal to the white man that slavery subordination to the superior race is as natural, right.

Normal condition. They quote that, I guess, as being Alexander Stephens. Cornerstone speech in Savannah, Georgia, March 21st, 1861. That’s a crazy statement I would say. So that was an op ed and Craig. Again, I made the point when we were talking to Scotty, you know, like there’s a lot of opinions. There’s a lot of power on all of this.

And I see this, I mean, look at all these. You know, these editorials that are in  on back and forth on this issue, letters to the editor. This is the next day from July the 11th, let people decide fate of the Confederate monument. Scott kinda went through and talked about his view, a northerners take on let government process play out with the municipal process, you know, the County commission and all of that.

And that’s what he was advocating for. next person says a CJ column is a resident of Gastonia Confederate statue, Hertz community. He says I’m honestly barely paying attention to the controversy around statues of the Confederate soldiers standing on a 30 foot pedestal place in front of our courthouse.

Why? Because it’s simply can’t believe this there’s an argument for it being there. I’m not even going to argue the pros and cons of the civil war, the reasons for war, your heritage, slavery states’ rights. None of that. The simplest of terms is a statute that hurts. People, hurts people’s feelings. It makes them feel less than makes them feel unworthy.

You’re not as worthy. Not that alone should mean that has no place in the spot that should speak justice, fairness, equality. There are so many reasons for it not to be there. He goes on, what are the reasons to keep it there? Before you say something about remembering our history that remind you that there’s a Holocaust museum, where everything is in one spot and tells the story.

There’s not statues of scattered around to remind people of that quote unquote event. We also have actual books that tell the sales history during the civil war years. Next lady, you want to comment?

Craig Graves: [00:15:39] I’m going to ask what’s the argument for keeping it at the courthouse. I mean, cause it’s a valid point.

He’s saying there is none. I mean, is there an, is there a article in there or what are you calling them? Editorials. These are opinion letters. People write, anybody, send the nanny opinions about why to keep it at the courthouse. What’s the, what’s the argument for that? I mean, yeah, it’s just, it’s all over the place.

I don’t know. but there’s no, there’s none. There’s no editorials to keep it. There is what I’m asking you. You know, where did you only look to look the other way? I guess not. No, I didn’t look the other way. No, I mean, I’m going through all of them. This was two to two weeks ago. Yeah. Yeah. It seems to me that one of the things we’ve lost in our country is the ability to compromise.

You know, the Democrats put out a bill and the Republicans won’t look at it, or the Republicans put out a bill, the Democrats won’t look at it. There’s going to be differences. That’s why we have two systems for two parties. Right. We need, we need more than two. it’s a different, different story, but there’s gotta be some compromise.

So in some cases there has to be compromise. So nobody’s saying destroy it, like other cities have destroyed monuments. They’re saying move it. It’s interesting. It’d be interesting to me to hear what the argument to keep it at that particular location. Yeah. Yes.

Chris Gazdik: [00:16:52] You are getting two weeks of full editorial page.

We have, I’m not skipping a beat. Scotty was still with us. He could probably tell a sec. Yeah. Yeah, the next one is don’t trust black lives matter. They said a lot, but the big point was black lives matter was started in 2013 by three Marxist agitators. They first appeared on the scene in 2014 with their March across the bridge, singing quote pigs in a blankets, fry them like bacon unquote horrible things.

Craig Graves: [00:17:19] Yeah. And one of the things you’ll learn in the podcast, that our conversation was Scotty is he is not black lives matter. You know, he’s not, he is not that.

Chris Gazdik: [00:17:28] Local guy doing what you kind of said, trying to get things that he thinks is right. I’m almost done with this guys. Kneeling is never a bad word.

This person writes in. I have watched some groups of people demonstrate, demonizing NFL players for kneeling as our national Anthem was played. These good people did so because they listened to the message that kneeling was disrespectful to our American flag. They listened to our president of the United States call players that knelt terrible names and called them.

To be fired from the beginning. NFL players stated that this was the peaceful way of calling attention to brutal, police brutality against people of color. This was a peaceful way of calling attention to unarmed black men killed by the police. If only then the world had listened then. And lastly, I’m not reading any of it, but the title says it, all someone wrote in a rather lengthy, one about only God can cure it, our nation.

And I went through that and I apologize for taking a long time with that, but my main point, and we’re going to get into conversation with Scotty. Is there a lot of use about this powerful emotions. Keep that in mind when we’re talking to mr. Read about all of these things with racism, and I suggest to you that when you experienced that and when you experienced the feelings inside your chest, you will get adrenaline.

You will get endoraphin rush, you will get an excitement. You will talk faster, you will talk louder. You know why? Because mental health is directly in the middle of this stuff. I’d like to make that argument and hold that through. Our conversation. Does that make sense?

Craig Graves: [00:18:50] It does. It does a lot of emotions come up.

Fear, anger, shame, guilt, a lot of stuff might come up.

Chris Gazdik: [00:18:58] All right. So onward with our conversation, Scotty re.

So, as we had said in the intro there, we have a Mr. Scotty T Reid and Craig he’s been busy lately, man. He is the founder of a nonprofit media organization, black talk media project, and is the creator of the world winning a media platform. Black talk radio network is the coast and producer of the BTR news podcast and was the co producer of the award winning new abolitionists radio podcast.

He’s been. Producing news talk programming since 2007, and has interviewed hundreds of guests on various topics over the years and assisted many with technology questions, Mr. Reid, we could certainly help you need your help on that technology questions. At least I can Craig, sorry. I didn’t mean to include you in on that.

Sorry. Concerning creating podcasts and digital radio stations. it is, it is an honor to have you on our show. for sure. And to help us talk about such a big issue. I don’t know if you heard the, well, yeah, I’m sure you’ll hear it later. The, the little pre recorded intro that we did for this episode, You know, we we’ve, we’ve been, we’ve been taking a break for a little while and, and, and before we started our, before we ended, I think Craig, you were asking like, you know, we’re going to start off as an easy topic.

Right? Simple, easy peasy to relax, talk, fix some, some good, happy mental health feel. Good stories. Sorry to disappoint. You were hitting something that’s hitting hard. There are no easy mental health topics. Welcome to Through a Therapist’s Eyes. How are you? What did I miss and tell us who you are, if you would.

Scotty Reid: [00:20:33] Again, I’m Scotty Reid and he just read my bio and I don’t think there’s anything else I need to add. Other than like he mentioned, I’ve been very busy with local organizing around primarily the issue of the Confederate monument at the Gaston County courthouse. I am one of those that believe it should be relocated to a museum where it can be given a proper historical context.

I am not for destroying it. I think everybody should, have these, have these historical reminders of where, what we do not want to go back to, but that courthouse is an inappropriate place. Of course we’ve been organizing around voter registration, have hosted other events of just dealing with the issues of that we have in Gaston County is a wonderful place.

To live in. It certainly doesn’t have the issues that many other places we’re seeing on the news is happening, but we still have room for improvement. And so that’s what I’m involved in.

Chris Gazdik: [00:21:36] Yeah. And I appreciate your efforts out there cause I know off the mix and I did a show with, with you as well.

What was the name? I’m a butcher that the Gaston County Community Talk.

Scotty Reid: [00:21:46] Yes. Gaston County Community Talk. It’s just a Facebook page. I set up. I’m sold at members of the community here in Gaston, can talk, have a community conversation. I mean, out there the other day, when the County commissioners had had their, one of our annual meetings and a topic that they knew was coming up was the Confederate monument.

So you had all these Confederates. I call them Neo Confederates. Ain’t no Confederates alive. These are Neo Confederates. So these Neo Confederates, a lot of them came from out of town and they were standing on one side of the statute. I was standing on the other side. We are separated by maybe what, 50 yards, maybe 25 yards sold.

They’re yelling at us. you know, but thankfully, even though I’m kind of going hoarse, I do have a portable PA system, so I don’t have to do the yelling and I can still be heard over there, but I told some of those guys. That if you were interested in having a civil conversation with me, or you want to debate me about North Carolina history, Gaston County history, or Confederate history, then join me, you know, send me a message.

I’ll bring you on Gaston County community talk, but you have to live here in this community in order for me to do that. So I haven’t had any takers yet. So I, I guess, you know, not too many of them are confident of their knowledge on local history.

Chris Gazdik: [00:23:16] Well, and I can attest to that Mr. Graves, because that’s exactly how I met mr.

Reid. I don’t think I said on the end, but, I think I told you guys about it. Well, actually I told our audience about the Mount Holly protests that I’ve walked out of my office for you remember all that, right? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, that’s exactly what you said to me and we have had multiple conversations since I can, I can attest to the truth of that.

So I, and I appreciate that. you, you, you said I could call you Scotty earlier. I believe, right.

Scotty Reid: [00:23:44] Call me Scotty.

Chris Gazdik: [00:23:45] I mean, you know, it it’s, it’s, it’s something that people don’t do when in conflict very well. And we’re going to talk about that is, is, is talk, you know, have conversations and discussions. You know, we, we, we, we tend to have a hard time doing that.

I’ll mention a word, Greg, you can’t see, well, you can see him, but the audience can’t see him. I mentioned the word Trump. Oh, he’s stoic. You see, he held himself together. You mentioned Trump, you mentioned politics. You mentioned taxes. You mentioned religion. You meant, you know, what’s the old say. They say, you can’t talk about sex, religion, and politics.

Right. We’re breaking the rules. And I say that silly wise, because we need to break those rules. We need to be able to have these discussions. And so I really appreciate it’s one of the things I liked most about working with you these last few weeks. Is, is the fact that you’re, you’re, you’re willing to talk and have intelligent and respectful conversations about things.

That’s something that’s needed.

Scotty Reid: [00:24:41] Well, I’ve been doing it for what will be 13 years in November. I’ve been running a talk radio network. So I think I had to be able to, you know, participate in intelligent conversations if I’m going to run a radio network. But then again, I don’t know some of the stuff you hear coming on the radio today.

You know, I, I don’t even think it’s intelligent. I think it’s more geared towards entertainment.

Chris Gazdik: [00:25:08] Yeah, go ahead, Craig. You agree?

Craig Graves: [00:25:11] Oh yeah. I totally agree. I totally agree. And I admire you for inviting people to have conversations with you, Scotty. I genuinely believe that that’s the answer to a lot of problems that we have, and it is meeting people and talking through things that.

Yeah. And even at the end of the day, if you disagree on those things, you’ve at least learned something about somebody and how they feel and what their perspective on things are. And it’s easy to sit behind a keyboard and, you know, mouth off and say hateful, evil things. But when you’re in front of somebody, you know, having a, having a conversation and you realize that person is just like you are, it’s a whole different.

So I admire the fact that you invite people to have conversations with you. I really do.

Scotty Reid: [00:25:50] I mean, I have them, I can have them in person. For example, I told the deputies who, you know, over the course of the past three months, I’ve been out there. They know me, I know them. They’ve done nothing, but their job and respected and protected our first amendment speech rights.

They ain’t had no problem. Mount Holly police. We didn’t ask them to stop traffic for us, but they did so that we could safely cross the street safely. We didn’t contact the Stanley police in advance, but we know they watching us. So they, you know, everybody knows when we have an event cause we put it on Facebook for everybody to know, but they didn’t have to come up to us and then escort some of us.

I mean escort those who are marching because they saw the threats that we were getting online. And so, again, over at the courthouse, you know, I look over at Alamance County right now and they’re arresting people. Okay. And they shut down protesting. And that, I mean, I thought the constitution is sacred.

And so, but that has not been happening in Gaston County. And I’m appreciative of, of law enforcement for respect our rights. But I asked one of the deputies out there who, I guess he was in charge of the detail. I said, I want to debate. You know, one of those Neo Confederates over there. So can one of them come to center court, I’ll come to center court and then we’ll have this conversation.

We’ll have this debate in the civil manner instead of them yelling at us and what have you. And after a certain point after the yelling, we just turn our backs to them because that was really a community expressions meeting. Now, unfortunately, none of those Neo Confederates took me up on my offer, but they tried to send, I’m just going to refer to him as a very confused and somewhat an educated black man to debate me about all the Neo Confederate statue and white supremacy and racism. And I was not going to fall for that. How do, how, what would the optics of two black men arguing over whether a Neo Confederate beacon, a white supremacy to stay on courthouse, property, or go.

Yeah, I would have, that would have been insane for me to participate. Great. And something like that, but I just thought it was funny that none of them would take up the offer, what they will do willing to send him and he was willing to do it, but I was not out there to entertain people. I was out there to educate people.

Most of my events. When we’re speaking, we’re we’re educating, which is not out here to be yelling. We’re educating people about voting rights. We’re educating people about the fact like somebody, you know, made a Facebook post, who was out there. And she said, did y’all know that slavery was never abolished.

And then she said, well, Scotty Reid was out there teaching the other day. And the 13th amendment says. That’s all slavery and involuntary servitude, shall be abolished except as a punishment for crime. See, that was the concession that the union made to bring the Confederates back into the union was to allow them to continue to practice slavery, because it was never Lincoln’s intent to end slavery, which he said in many letters.

Well, in a few letters I’ve read that was never his intent. His intent at the start of the civil war was to keep. Did union together and so to bring them back together. After the civil war, they came up with that, that what we call a loophole or the exception clause of the 13th amendment. And that’s why I don’t call it mass incarceration.

Number one, the majority of people in the United States is not in prison or jail. 2 million people. 2.5 million people. Yeah, that’s a lot in the majority of them don’t belong there. but that’s still not the majority of the population of the United States. So I think miss incarceration is kind of not being accurate is not an accurate term.

I feel the accurate term is prison slave.

Chris Gazdik: [00:30:09] Nothing on pack there. Mr. Graves, would you say,

Scotty Reid: [00:30:12] I’m sorry,

Chris Gazdik: [00:30:14] not the non pack at all. We get, you know, you can tell you do radio and I love vocal people to have conversations with. I enjoyed when we were doing it on the community gaston talks. Cause, cause it, it does, it leads to really stimulating and good conversations.

Let me spin this over to, to some of the mental health pieces. Cause it’s, you know, like, you know, dealing with racism and the mental health factors. You know, one of the, one of the main points that I either made or will make, I guess, with, you know, when I was reading the, the op-eds and whatnot, you know, there’s a lot of strong and varied views and opinions on all this stuff.

That’s why I think this will be one of our more listened to shows. I told Craig that before we, we turned the mics on and you know, most of the time when I see this to me, many, many emotions are at play. just as a basic fact, I mean, when you have so many varied views and opinions and so many strong views and strong thoughts and people, you know, get, you know, anger and emotions of all sorts and sadness, I mean, you know, that’s mental health.

I mean, I, I maintain to Scottie when we’ve talked recently. I don’t think it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a part of it. I think, I think mental health is right. Smack it down in the middle of all of, all of this. And, and, and it’s very powerful and poignant for people. as an example, let me, let me spin us to talk about, a particular word that I know you’re going to be familiar with and to do this, Craig, I’m gonna set you up, man.

You don’t mind, I’m going to set you up. I like to try to belittle him, because he likes to introduce me to people that don’t know me such as you Scottie, I guess, by telling, telling people where I, where I come from and he he’s got this. Oh, this is, this is it’s hysterical. It’s going to make you roll it.

Go ahead and tell it, tell him, tell him the joke, Craig, the joke we’ve we’ve heard.

Craig Graves: [00:31:59] Man I used to get a hard time for telling this jokes, Scotty, and now he, now he insists that I tell him, Oh yeah, go ahead. Chris is from West Virginia. So how do we know the, a toothbrush was invented in West Virginia?

Scotty Reid: [00:32:15] Might say something derogatory.

I don’t know.

Chris Gazdik: [00:32:18] Why would you do

Scotty Reid: [00:32:19] that? Stereotypical? I know,

Chris Gazdik: [00:32:22] right?

The audience has never heard the punchline. Craig, they’re going to be shocked at this.

Craig Graves: [00:32:31] Otherwise it would be a teethbrush

Scotty Reid: [00:32:37] brush.

Chris Gazdik: [00:32:40] Now look, I set you up for that. I told you I was going to set you up for that because the word that I’m talking about that is a hugely emotional issue that has a lot to do with mental health is prejudice.

Prejudice is a big part of racial discussions and race relations and all of this type of stuff. and, and, you know, I, I don’t know if I said it during the Craig, I’m all backwards. Cause we’re going all out of order with this. Like we don’t normally do, but you know, I feel as though I have never personally, Scotty been a victim of discrimination.

The closest thing I’ve come to personally is agism. And why that’s one of the reasons why I wear a goatee because I was young man and wanted to look older during therapy and have some legitimacy. I mean, that’s a simple, small stuff, but. I have been oftentimes as a West Virginia, you know, people you know, you made the joke, I think, right?

Derogatory words about West Virginians and hillbillies and Nicks. I’ve heard it all. We went to a bowl game in the University of Virginia’s pet bans literally bothered me because, in the bowl game, entire bowl, continental tire bowl, probably about seven years ago, man, those guys made, made mass fun of us dressed up as hillbillies out there on the center of the football field.

You know, and we got a band, we call it the pride

Scotty Reid: [00:33:55] Doesn’t West Virginia have a hillbilly as a mascot. I’m not sure.

Chris Gazdik: [00:34:01] Yeah, they do. We do shoot a mascot and he’s cool as hell. I can say that right from a point is, you know, we, we, we, we get that in and that is a form of prejudice and it amazes me, I’m going to say that it is an emotional fact.

That people across the board, a hundred percent, we have them, we have prejudice. It’s a part of the way we see things. Google good, old Google defines it as a proceed preconceived opinion. That is not based on reason or actual experience. That’s all it is. People get bent out of shape, but that’s all it is.

Scotty Reid: [00:34:36] I glad you read the definition because I’m a stickler for the proper use of words. Because over the course of my 12 years of interacting with the public and people like I do in a professional context is that I’ll find that people will take existing words. And make up a new definition for it. Now, how can I have an intelligent conversation with you?

And you use the words that you didn’t made up a definition for, and I’m using the, you know, Webster’s dictionary definition. There’s going to be a disconnect there. And let me jump in

Chris Gazdik: [00:35:14] and let me jump in because honestly, That is exactly where an important part of prejudice comes in and crave. We will do a whole show on this topic called confirmation bias.

It’s just a psychological fact. So we have prejudice preconceived notions, and you just said it perfectly. I don’t know if you realize that you were saying confirmation bias, but that’s like what it is. And we’ll do that with meanings of words. We’ll do that with meanings of policy. We’ll do that with understandings of things.

We don’t understand because we had these preconceived notions and confirmation bias is absolutely. When we hear stuff psychological you’ve been studied. Now you got a link you’re going to have on the show notes that shows this as well, studied reality. It’s just a human psychological. So I like to use the word emotional fat prejudice, but you come across people that say, I’m not prejudice.

You hear that all the time.

Scotty Reid: [00:36:07] I’m prejudice. Sometimes prejudice. I can admit that. Well, the reason I say that though is because I think I, some people confuse prejudice with racism. I do not think they are the same. Okay. I think that we do pre-judge. Things, because we may have been given like stereotypical, information, maybe the person who exposed us to whatever it is that we’re prejudice about gave us some incorrect information.

Yeah. And let me restate that. I’m not that prejudice because one of the things that I’m 53 years old, and maybe when I was younger, I was prejudice. Well, I’ve lived long enough and had enough life experiences now not to be prejudice, and give people an opportunity to show me who they are. Okay. So, then there’s also preferences, you know?

Oh, I don’t like certain flavors, ice cream. I don’t like Sherbert. I hate Sherbert. They give me some real ice cream. Alright. You know, I have a bias against Sherbert. So, you know, I just wanted to point out that prejudice doesn’t necessarily always mean racist.

Chris Gazdik: [00:37:28] Absolutely. I couldn’t agree with you more. And you know, I deal with it as a therapist all the time and, and I’m, I’ve been trained and geared and, reared for a very long time to, to check that stuff at the door.

You know, because I’m meeting with somebody new, it’s an terribly huge honor to meet with somebody that comes to, and I shut. It’s like it’s meat. I mean, it’s, about unique, you know, a therapy relationship is a unique experience where it’s a hundred percent about that person. And so we’re really geared, particularly in social work.

I might say a plug for my social work profession to really be careful about those, those things that we carry with us. You know, those things that we bring into the therapy session, we check those so much so that if we’re not able to, with a particular issue because of our own emotional issues, we refer so that we’re not mixing in our own into the therapy relationship as much as possible.

So I like professional trained that way, but as it relates to prejudice, diagnosing in my field, Greg, I deal with this all the time. Prejudice, preconceived notions about what mental health is. Somebody will come in. And if we look at this in the case of depression, for example, they are wanting to feel better, but their preconceived notions about why they’re not feeling okay are present.

And I have to deal with their prejudice. If you will, their preconceived ideas about why they feel the way they feel. Look at a symptoms list, provide some education and, and look at why they see confirmation bias as well. The world is a negative and dark place. It’s because I can diagnose them with depression.

And when you lift the prejudice, when you lift blindness, because by the way, the worst type of prejudice is when you have prejudice and don’t even know it. And I meet, I meet with people that are depressed and they don’t know they’re depressed. And so we want to shed light on all those things,

Scotty Reid: [00:39:26] I met a bunch of prejudice people at the courthouse the other day.

And the reason I say they’re prejudice and, and I’m not just calling them a racist. Now do suspect them are practicing racism, but that’s just a suspicion, you know, I’m not calling them a racist, but I do know they were prejudice. And the reason why I say I know they were prejudice. Because they tape just because some people out there, not me, but just some people out there with a black lives matter sign.

They’re thinking I worked for black lives matter foundation. Those slogan black lives matter happened in the streets in different protests. Before three women decided that they were going to name a nonprofit foundation, black lives matter. So even that Mount Holly rally. The Gastonia Gazette, who covered it, you know, and posted to their video, a page on Facebook, which has had thousands of views, one of your more popular videos, they describe it as a black lives matter protest.

Chris Gazdik: [00:40:34] They did. I saw that.

Scotty Reid: [00:40:36] Yeah. And so, no, this was a East Gaston Coalition for Freedom and Justice march and rally. That’s what it was. It was not a black lives matter event, but I’m not going to tell people they can’t bring it. Black lives matter signs just because somebody’s prejudice against black lives matter.

They’re just ignorant. They assume that. I’m funded by George Soros and, you know, they intake what they watch on television and what the talking points that they get from talking heads like us, you know, they take that as fact and don’t do their research or they don’t ask. So it’s just a shame that I even have to tell people, that I have known, any other groups that you see working in Gaston County?

Are all local residents. These are local informal groups. A lot of them are not even organizations like my nonprofit Blake taught me a project. They’re just Facebook groups of citizens looking to do something to get involved in their community. So they create these little groups. So, you know, definitely those people, I see a lot of prejudice.

Associated with local County activism as to assuming that we’re Antifa or we’re a black lives matter without you even coming out there. Cause it, and then like when we posted the event in a Mount Holly knows Stanley town hall, which they kicked me out for reasons that I can’t explain when all I’m doing is posting upcoming events and then posting the video.

And the photos of those events that we just had in Stanley where the overwhelming response from the members who I assume all of them live in Stanley, but I shouldn’t assume that cause I don’t live in Stanley and I lived there, but my daughter, one of my daughter does and we were getting positive and one of the ladies came out there.

They were seeing all these are thugs. These are looters. They’re going to tear up Stanley and all this and that. In addition to some of the violent threats, but one woman, she didn’t come to join the March. We were based at, in the food lion parking lot. That’s where, what we will call our base camp. Okay.

Cause I usually stay behind and watch the cars so they are not damaged by anyone. So in any way, this woman said I’m out here. I think she was across the street in a BI-LO parking lot in her car, watching in observing, not interacting with us, just sitting in the car, watching us. And then she went back to the group and said, guys, people are peaceful.

They are not bothering anyone. Some of you people y’all need help. You know, cause the way y’all was talking about these people and then, you know, in a way it turned out. So I think that, you know, a lot of prejudice, people in our County who are afraid and hostile of because of their prejudice towards,

Chris Gazdik: [00:43:42] Well, you just mentioned a very important word, afraid and fear, you know?

I want to, I think what I want to do with our conversation, is kind of list out my brainstorm on the mental health realities and take advantage of your time, your life experience, sir, and your experiences recent most recently that we’ll spend a little bit more time, by the way, in part two chronicling, you know, our little, areas issue with the Confederate soldier debate that we, we did on the intro.

But, but I want to use our time maybe to look at your experience and life experience and the experience throughout the last few months to see how we can apply the reality of these mental health issues that I’m about to list, with, the higher note towards trauma, as we’ve talked about, Scotty, more than once now, you know, the other show and actually the day at Mount Holly rally and whatnot, but.

I just, I just want to maintain it and really highlight the strengths of the fact that I really do. Craig. I do. I see. And I’m curious for, I read his list, you know, if you, if you can see, cause Scott, he just, he kinda is not in the therapy world and whatever. We use him as sort of a groundswell of what people hear just as the regular Joe and Jane of the world, that’s kind of his role.

Right? So, I mean, when you say, when you hear me say, Craig well know mental health is right smack in the middle of these things. I mean, what are you here with that? Before I list these things.

Craig Graves: [00:45:12] You know, I don’t really know. I think when I think about mental health and, racism it’s how, how does racism affect the, receiver of that mental health.

You know, is there, is there fear? Is there, you know, those kinds of emotions that go, that go along with that? Yes. Yeah. Right. So I don’t. You know, as far as the racist themselves, I’m not sure how their mental healths going, but always think about the mental health of the receiver of that. You know, what are they saying?

What are their fears? What are their realities? Because I don’t know, you know, but, but that, that is my question is how does, how does their mental health now I’ve never really thought about it in terms of the racist, you know, what is their. mental health and what is their thought process

Chris Gazdik: [00:45:59] That’s an interesting thought. And actually I was doing some Google searches and I’m saying, you know, I was looking more on that. The second I was shocked at some of the things that I kind of saw when I was Googling as I was just backing myself up with my own thoughts listed out and whatnot. But you know, the, the. I mean, the reality is that they have there, is it racism?

Isn’t is, is it mental health issue in and of itself? Which to me was kind of crazy. No, it’s listen to the things that I just came up with trauma. First of all, trauma is a lot about trauma on the fact of the racist people and the people that are receiving trauma is right all in the middle of this. And you had emailed me Scotty.

I want to hear about that. You know, your, your experiences in most recent times with trauma. Generational trauma as well. Super quick on that, you know, we talked about you remember how long it takes one person’s alcoholic, drinking to be eradicated, the emotional affection. You remember that you don’t Scotty, it takes, I’ve heard early on in my career for an alcoholic family.

It, you know, one person’s alcohol abuse has destructive emotional realities on all the other family members and stuff. And I heard it said, yeah, what’s that.

Scotty Reid: [00:47:10] I can attest to that. I was talking about earlier in how I got into technology. He was an alcoholic. He worked hard, he was auto worker. He was alcoholic man.

And, and even though I was, you know, just his nephew and we weren’t in their house, 24 seven, I was there enough. And, and of course, you know, I could see how it impacted my other cousins. It’s his family.

Chris Gazdik: [00:47:37] Yeah. And, and, and early on in my career, it was sad. It takes three generations of sobriety to eradicate the emotional effects of one person’s alcoholism in a family.

I mean, that’s crazy.

Scotty Reid: [00:47:48] Wow.

Chris Gazdik: [00:47:49] I didn’t believe it at first in my career, but I totally believe it now. So you get the generational trauma affects, you got trauma. I listed out in my mind, trust issues, you know, trust issues, receiving racism or propetuating, fear. I wrote fear, fear, fear, what we don’t understand or that which has changed or different than what we own our own experience has been.

We fear, fear is a huge part of. Mental health or racism and mental health, guilt and shame based feelings, anger, anger is expression. Writing versus talking. How good do we do? And we get all worked up. I’ve made a note. Craig, do you think we do really well in our Amygdala fired up? Definitely not. Right. You know, conflict resolution.

How do you deal with stuff? Listen to the show on how to deal with a bully. And that was scary. That was just, you know, Three minutes of my, my clinical brain kind of listing out what things are primary and mental health that we also see playing out in racism, and that I could have kept on going on and on and on.

I feel like

Scotty Reid: [00:48:53] as y’all were speaking, when you mentioned like racism and mental health, the mental health or the person who’s practicing the racism. So let’s assume that the races we’re talking about is a white supremacist. I do not believe only white people can be racist. I believe anybody can be a racist.

If you actually know the definition in my own community, I have issues with people saying it. Well, black people can’t be racist because we don’t have any power or what they mean is political power. Well, it doesn’t say that in the Webster definition that you got to have political power to believe that one, your race is superior and all other people of other races are inferior.

But as y’all were talking about that, I was thinking well absolutely a person who believes in white supremacy has a mental health problem because that’s a delusion. In my opinion,

Chris Gazdik: [00:49:50] we can definitely get delusional.

Scotty Reid: [00:49:52] Yeah.

Chris Gazdik: [00:49:53] I mean, you know, just to spend a minute on that from a clinical practice, honestly, people, you know, people that’s psychosis, you know, that’s a form of psychotic behavior.

Delusions are thought processes or beliefs that aren’t real, or you have auditory, tactile sensory experiences that are not real. The difference between reality. And non-reality the people that we serve and clinicians, ourselves I heard of guy quoted many years ago. I’ve quoted him hundreds of times since no thicker than a piece of dental floss, because we can believe things that are not real, very easily.

You can become full blown, psychotic, just night, not sleeping for three days. Craig you talking about the media a lot, we get fed stuff and we actually can become delusional. It’s got a big smile and wants to call him in on that right now, man.

Craig Graves: [00:50:40] I agree with you. You’re right.

Chris Gazdik: [00:50:41] You know, it’s, that’s how easy. You know, we can get, there’s a whole nother concept of groups.

Think you shoot, you’re a part of a group in hear something. And it just sways you all the way to the, to the polar sides of that group. So I can, like I said, Scott, I can go for hours, not hours, but I can go for the whole hour listing different mental health factors. But what do you hear in all of that, sir, the people that, you know, you know, and understand, and, and people that you’ve been around and.

Your life experience and particularly the last three months, what do you hear and what have you seen of all this in that?

Scotty Reid: [00:51:15] Well, I, for example, not long ago, you know, I was in a camp where I actually helped produce I’m executive producer of, well, I shouldn’t say that I’m the technical producer, but his program called Conversation Reparations, which is a, a program that I worked that I helped.

another person put on our network, Oh, who is with this organization called NCOBRA. They actually wrote the bill or, or help write the bill that’s in front of Congress and congressmen debating about reparations, HR 40. And I forget to senate version name, but if I had been as urban, just out there in the streets recently, and then all throughout my life, you know, black people.

acting, let’s just say people accused us always being loud. Although black people sold loud and all this and that when we get triggered. Yes, we can get loud

Chris Gazdik: [00:52:14] many times. Right. Greg,

Scotty Reid: [00:52:15] I think that’s pretty much anybody, you know, once, once you, something has triggered you emotionally and what have you. And, but I believe that if reparations is passed, it has to include a mental health.

A mental health component to that. I mean mental health treatment, I’m not ashamed to say that, man. it’s been very stressful. Like I tried to explain to somebody

Chris Gazdik: [00:52:40] pause right there, if you would real quick, you know, because that’s a big statement and I’m going to tell you, I really appreciate that, that statement.

And I think people need to hear and understand that. You know, I can attest that I need mental health treatment as well as the therapist. And there was a day and age where I wouldn’t be caught dead saying that I was feeling so insecure and weird about that. Like dude therapists, therapists do not get there.

Okay. They need it though. We do. And I’m going to say that in the last 10 years specifically, thinking about just off the cuff, black, young and older black men, probably more younger than older, but I have seen a tremendous increase of people sitting in my office. And it’s fantastic. So thank you for that.

I just wanted to highlight that.

Scotty Reid: [00:53:25] Oh, Oh no doubt. You know, it’s very stressful. I don’t think some people recognize how stressful it can be being black in such a society. You know, for example, my teacher, not my teacher, my grandson, one of his teachers, my grandson just like turned nine years old.

so he felt, he perceived my grandson perceived that he was being mistreated. Now he’s in a predominantly white public school. He perceived that the teacher is mistreating him. He doesn’t know why. Okay. So we have parent teacher’s conference. Of course his mother was there, but I always go, you know, I’m saying, and not only does he have his mother, he has his grandfather here and then he’s going to have his great, great, I mean, his great grandmother there.

Cause we all cope. That’s just how my family moved. We co-parent, it’s not just the mama and the daddy. It’s the aunts, the uncles is, it’s just really our community,

Chris Gazdik: [00:54:29] as I say, it takes, it takes a village.

Scotty Reid: [00:54:31] Yeah. So I don’t know this woman, this woman’s not from around here now. And the principal’s sitting there too, the assistant teachers sitting there too, so. I let my daughter and them say what they had to say. And I started asking her questions. I started interviewing her. I asked her, well, what are your thoughts on, first of all, I asked her, where did you grow up? Where did you go to school? What did you think about the Confederate monument?

Then she, she kinda started getting hysterical and she was like, well, I don’t answer political questions. That’s not a political question. That’s a moral question in my mind. And then this woman started crying, man. She was like, how dare you accuse me of mistreating a child. I ain’t accused you or nothing.

I just asked you some questions so I can figure out what your state of mind he is. And know a little bit more about you. I don’t make accuracy.  without proof. I didn’t tell her this, but you know, I’m just telling y’all right in hindsight. And so anyway, when we left there, I went outside first and the principal came behind me and she was like, she was like, I support everything that you did cause she got it, you know what I’m saying?

She got it. Number one, you know, and I’m not going to say where my grandson goes to school, but when we went in there, there was a man on the wall, a big, giant mural of a man on the wall. So I looked this man up. And this man was a white supremacy, slaver. You not think I’m going to feel some kind of way about it out there that we’re, that we’re holding up these type of people as role models or what have you for children.

Now, of course, those elementary school children and not going to know. You know what I’m saying? And I doubt most parents walk in there took the time, like I did to look this man up on my phone and see who he is. Apparently he was one of Stanley’s founding father, but that’s stress. That’s stressful.

So now I’m thinking, okay, all these issues I’m involved with Confederate monument at courthouse needs to be relocated now. Do I say something about this mural of this racist labor on the wall of one of our elementary school. So I got to pick my battles. You know what I’m saying? That’s very stressful.

Chris Gazdik: [00:57:03] Yeah.

You know, I, I deal with trauma and I’m aware of, we’ve got about five minutes. I hate it. We gotta, we gotta wrap it up. Cause I wanted to get to a different part where we’re going to have you on our show for part two. And I know your time is short.

Scotty Reid: [00:57:18] Let me see what time it is. I can give you about 10, 15 more minutes.

Chris Gazdik: [00:57:23] Yeah. That’s why we’re going to, we’re going to shut down and, and do the other one for 15 minutes there. Like we talked about before, but yeah, the five minutes here was, trauma, and, and I deal with that in therapy with people reliving trauma and generationally, having conversations with people I’m not from the South.

I’ve been living here for 20, 25 years now, but. You know, you relive these things, you get triggered when you experienced something that triggers them. And when you see a flag or statue or. You know, even, even a rope, you know, or something like that, that has a strong potential of triggering real issues of trauma that needs to be managed and, and, and, and treated and dealt with.

Can you speak to that at all? Does that make sense to you? When I say those things,

Scotty Reid: [00:58:15] If your recall during my interview of you on GCCT podcast I told you about, I went to East Gaston high school, predominantly white. we were having a pep rally or some in the different student groups could put on a skit. And I told you about how these four white guys came in carrying this other white guy on, on this litter.

You know, and I hope I’m using the proper term, but you know how they put the Kings in a royalty, they got these slaves. Yeah. So anyway, these four guys come carrying him in on that and he’s got the Confederate flag tied around his neck. And so then, you know, by the time they get up to the stage, he takes it off and he starts thrusting you know his pelvis at the crowd.

And I told you how quiet. The gym was, this is a gym full of 200, 300, teenagers. You know what I’m saying? And you would have thought if you, if you made the wrong assumption that those boys would’ve got a lot of applause, but that kind of surprised me that not another single white student gave him any applause gave him any cheers.

And we just, we just like was just standing there. We disgusted look on our faces cause everybody know what that meant. What David was saying with that display. So, yeah, I still remember that. And so, you know, when we had our conversation, that’s still in my mind, you know what I’m saying?

Chris Gazdik: [00:59:55] And it can be visceral and it’s re-experienced and the amygdala fires and your cortisol flows through your body.

I mean like the body human beings, we’ve talked about trauma Craig on the show before have physical reactions to all of this. You know, it’s a, it’s a real thing. Let’s wind ourselves down. we’ll do an extra Craig and we want to talk to you for, the part two. So we’re going to, we’re going to fight, we’re going to fire it down. We’re going to,

Craig Graves: [01:00:20] So that’s kind of an abrupt to depart one there, correct?

Chris Gazdik: [01:00:23] Oh, sorry. I really screwed that up. We were just talking about it before you turned the mic on for the extra. And I I’d usually do a better job having a nice long. A pause space for you to find and cut it. Right?

Craig Graves: [01:00:35] So that way it was a good conversation. I enjoy talking to Scotty there a lot, a lot of takeaways for me on that, as I said in the beginning, you know, his goal is not to tear that statue down, but to move it, which I thought was very interesting to a museum or some someplace where the historical context can be taken in, I guess. You know, he also made the point that he’s not BLM that he’s, what’s the name of his organization again?

I know you, I know we said it in there, but I don’t remember what it is off the top of my head. Do you remember what it was?

Chris Gazdik: [01:01:05] Black talk media project, creator award winning platform, black talk radio network. BTR news podcasts, bonafide media. We’re gonna, we’re gonna include a link to his, to his show in our, on our, in our show notes.

Craig Graves: [01:01:20] You know, and I, and again, the relationship he seems to have with the police department, I thought was awesome. So there was a lot of good things there that, that’s, that’s Scotty, Scotty brought up.

Chris Gazdik: [01:01:30] Well, I’m going to give you a whole lot more thoughts in part tomb and to be a real abrupt again, and say, let’s take it out of here.

We’re going to see you next week because I’ve got a whole lot more to say, and Scotty comes back with us with like, what’s the answer to racism. We kept him for a little bit longer while we had to chop everything up because we, I really wanted him on part two to do that. So we got a lot more to say, yeah, yeah.

Craig Graves: [01:01:49] I want to come back. And I hope he comes back. You know, I’d like to dig a little deeper on his prejudice versus racism, comments, and, and, go a little deeper on that topic. So, yeah. Well we’ll have him back and there is more in part two. So, we’ll just jump over there to that now. Great.

Chris Gazdik: [01:02:02] I’m going to, I’m going to take it out of here by asking, listen, we want to grow the show this year, guys.

We really do need your help. We need to call to action. We need to subscribe to the show that downloads the show. Even if you don’t listen to that particular episode and really refer to show to a friend, you can find us on all the platforms. We’re going to be adding even pod bean, I think, and a couple other ones that are smaller that we haven’t been on, but we’re doing a lot of cool things, help us grow and we’ll see you next week on part two.

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