Election Anxiety! No that’s not a diagnosable condition but a lot of people are experiencing anxiety, fear, anger, and a lot of emotions because of the election.
In this episode the guys invite Neil, our new producer, on to the show to have an open conversation about the election and the emotions that go along with it.
Tune into this episode to see the US Election Through a Therapist’s Eyes!
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Episode #104 Transcription
Episode104
Chris Gazdik: [00:00:00] Hello everyone. Mr. Graves, do you know what’s going on in the country these days and a couple of weeks
Craig Graves: [00:00:20] election?
Chris Gazdik: [00:00:21] Oh my goodness gracious. I didn’t know that there is an election going on. What shall we do? I’ll tell you what. We’re going to welcome you to through another. Wow. I just crap that way up. Why don’t you read this this time?
You wouldn’t do that.
Craig Graves: [00:00:36] I keep telling you, we need just to have a recording and you can just play that recording as an intro every time, man. Always right way funner, man.
Chris Gazdik: [00:00:44] I am Ch isr r Gazdik, he is Craig graves. I am a mental health and substance abuse therapist. he is a unbeatable mind life coach. I have a book coming out soon, rediscovering emotions and becoming your best self.
That’s actually getting pretty daggum soon, man. It really is. When is it? March? Yeah. March is the full one, but it’ll be out much sooner that as a matter of fact, whole rap has done. They’re going to have me a copies of like next week or so.
Craig Graves: [00:01:07] What’s the name of the book?
Chris Gazdik: [00:01:08] Yeah. Through a therapist’s eyes rediscovering emotions and becoming your best self.
And you have a website wininyourmind.Com approach him about becoming a unbeatable mind coach for you. He will work with you through that program anywhere in the nation or the world. We will welcome you to, throughatherapistseyes.com the podcast, seeing the world through the lens of a therapist and a coach being aware of this, not to delivery of therapy services, still in any way.
And checking out throughatherapistseyes.com. Mr. Neil Robinson. How are you tonight, sir?
Neil Robinson: [00:01:46] I’m doing pretty well. How about you guys?
Chris Gazdik: [00:01:48] All right, man. We get, we get Neil and Craig on the show today. We’ll tell you why and what we’re doing here in a little bit, but, I usually get to say, mr. Graves, I guess this time, I’m going to say mr.
Robinson, what shall we do? The human emotional
Neil Robinson: [00:02:02] figure it out together.
Chris Gazdik: [00:02:03] I love it. Here you go. What are we talking about tonight? Mr. Graves?
Craig Graves: [00:02:09] One of my favorite subjects.
Chris Gazdik: [00:02:11] Oh, dear. Yeah,
Craig Graves: [00:02:13] politics, the election, right?
Chris Gazdik: [00:02:14] Politics, the elections, stress, anxiety, you and mental health. it should be fun. It should be interesting.
I figured that, you know, we’ve been doing some things on marriage and stuff lately. we’re going to follow that up a little bit, but taking it a little bit of a break. you know, we, we we’re recording this actually. Right now we have an event going on on TV, I believe, as we speak, you know what that is?
Craig Graves: [00:02:40] Yeah. That the debate there’s a presidential debate going on. Yeah. Oh, I was thinking about,
Chris Gazdik: [00:02:48] I was talking about, I, I thought there was a special edition in 90 minute episode of Saturday night, live skit. On tonight. That’s
Craig Graves: [00:02:55] probably more, more like it, right? Probably more true to the
Chris Gazdik: [00:03:01] honest to God, man, when I watched that last time, that is literally what came to my mind that we could have two comedians sitting up there on the stage for 90 minutes.
And it looked like, felt like, seemed like. A 90 minute, Saturday night.
Craig Graves: [00:03:15] I didn’t watch it. I did see some of the highlights. I think I turned it on for about 10 minutes. Cut it off.
Chris Gazdik: [00:03:20] Yeah. I subject myself to the whole thing I really did. I really did. Did you watch that? No. You did not. Didn’t watch it at all.
Neil Robinson: [00:03:29] Nope. Not at all. I’d family was more important.
Chris Gazdik: [00:03:34] Maybe that’s why I created this topic. I need to check with you guys on my mental health because yeah. you’re gonna watch it tonight. I’ve got it recorded. I’m going to be on it.
Neil Robinson: [00:03:44] I might, I might check the highlights as time is going on. Yeah, you sir.
Chris Gazdik: [00:03:49] I
Craig Graves: [00:03:49] don’t think I’m going to watch it.
Well, I think we’ll be recording for. Well tonight. And then, I’ll probably just get some highlight.
Chris Gazdik: [00:03:57] Yeah.
Craig Graves: [00:03:58] I mean, I think my mind is pretty much made up as it’s probably most Americans are.
Chris Gazdik: [00:04:02] Right. I think so that would mean what is it early voting is something like, you know, 50% already gone,
Craig Graves: [00:04:07] you know,
Chris Gazdik: [00:04:09] I think I saw figure that it’s something like that.
So what we’re going to do tonight, audiences, we really just wanted to kind of kick around, with us, our full staff. We do, we have Neil, joining us on the mics and I usually, he is way a way in the back doing all the background stuff that you’ll enjoy on throughatherapistseyes.com and Neal, I guess I’ll say public publicly to you, man.
I appreciate what you’re doing on the site. It’s. It’s looking sweet and we have a new thing today. We’ll talk about that about midpoint or whatnot, but, you know, it, it’s really looking good out there. What do you got to say about the website? What are you doing? Well, what do we look for in the next couple of weeks?
Neil Robinson: [00:04:43] Well, you guys have put a lot of content out there for me to work with. So it seems overwhelming, but I think it’s a great resource for people that need needed a lot of mental health help. there’s a lot of resources out there that I don’t think people realize are out there. So I’ve been enjoying, diving into it, tweaking it, making some changes, changes, updating it.
It’s been fun. So, and I’ve enjoyed working with you guys so far,
Chris Gazdik: [00:05:05] so far,
Neil Robinson: [00:05:05] so far so good.
Chris Gazdik: [00:05:06] We threw that in there real quick. Did you hear that?
Craig Graves: [00:05:09] Yeah. Yeah. Just to clarify, it’s not really. mental health, help as much as it is education. So these shows and the contents, not therapy services, any form or fashion.
So just to be clear on that.
Chris Gazdik: [00:05:22] Yeah. I picked up on that two and I’m glad you said that because really, I mean, that’s one of the things about this show, you know, we’re, we’re blowing up myths and stereotypes and stigmas about mental health because dude, you know, we all have it. We all manage it. We’re all in it.
And right now is the point of the show. Today. With the election. So this is going to come out, when, what, the 29th, I guess. Right. And when it, when is election day, I guess that’ll be like three or four days before, right? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it’s a, it’s a stressful time out there
Craig Graves: [00:05:55] very much. So
Chris Gazdik: [00:05:57] the, the realities that we’ve got going on in combination.
Are just off the chain on and on and on. And of course we all know about the race relation troubles that we’ve had across our nation. And it seems like it has gone on and on and on. And I think we’re all going to be happy and, you know, relieved when this whole thing of the election is done, because it seems like it’s going on and on.
And, right. So when did he get us together? Neil gets to jump on the mics today just to have kind of an honest, open and Frank conversation about the realities that I just laid out with the stress that we’re having. Maybe a little bit about what you’re doing. a little bit about what you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re enjoying, yeah.
Cause you can enjoy this stuff too. And a little bit about what you’re thinking and just how stressed out are we? Right. So it was just going to have a free conversation about that and, and, and I think that there’s, there’s a lot that we can kind of get to, and, and kind of make sense out of this time.
So, I guess, you know what, let’s start out with a bit of a question guys. What, what do you think? I mean, people get wired, people get wirey when we have, an election season, the cycle comes around and it is not new to be stressful. Do you think it is more stressful now than it is typically, right? I mean, what are you experiencing with that?
Craig Graves: [00:07:23] Yeah, I think it’s probably. More stressful. I keep hearing people say this is the most important election in a long, long time. so I, at least I get the feeling that it’s more, that there’s more tension and more stress going on around, around the election than normal, at least in, I remember in my adult life
What are you
Chris Gazdik: [00:07:42] thinking Neal.
Neil Robinson: [00:07:44] And I think the same thing. I mean, I feel like both sides of the politics is. There’s seems like there’s more weight to it for them. So that way they, they feel like this is such a big turning point. As Craig pointed out that if, if their side doesn’t win, that it’s very detrimental to our nation and they, they wholeheartedly believe that.
And so I think this is more stressful because it is such a, an extreme, it seems like with both parties, as much as it as has been in the past. So there, there is almost more divided. We have to win side on both sides,
Chris Gazdik: [00:08:16] which I’m glad we get to it right off the get-go. It’s one of the things that I was thinking about, I were free flowing with thought today, audience, this time, there’s not a lot of prepared thought this time, but I did have a couple of points.
I think if I remember correctly, we’ll see how the conversation goes, but this was one of them. Right. I don’t want to talk you, you too into it or out of it. But I do have the belief myself, honestly, that. Dude. I, I know people are saying that, you know, this is such an important election and they’re all important.
This is one of the most important elections in all or lifetime. You know, you hear that flyer, that when Barak Obama was coming in. I heard that one, Trump is going for the first time and I’m hearing that now. And I think the reality of it is I don’t know that I’m buying that. I think there is a mental health, human nature, reality that people.
Get in the moment. I definitely believe that people really forget history. We do not have a very good complex grasp oftentimes because of being so inundated with what’s in our face right now. So that 20 years ago or so I think we forget what it was like with the Gulf war. You know, Bush or when Reagan was in place, a lot of people don’t even have that experience.
They’re only 20 years old or 30 years old and vert voting for the first time. Dude, we had like a guy that was running for his fourth term in the middle of a world war. Right?
Craig Graves: [00:09:41] Yeah. But I think that the difference is, is we’re so divided as a country back then, we were all together. We all had common goals to win, to win the war, to beat, to beat the Germans.
Yeah. And I get what you’re saying. And there’s always been, there’s been a civil war. There’s been world war II. There’s been the 19th sixties. There’s been trying times in our country, but it seems like the devide is, so, is so bad now. And, you know, obviously I have political leanings, but I don’t like any of the, the government really at this point, I don’t think either.
I don’t think either party has the best interest of. The American people at heart. And I think that what we’re seeing is a power grab and, you know, I do see how, putting one party or the other empower could shift the direction of the country. Long-term I mean, it just seems like there’s much more division intention.
In politics right now. They’re not, then I remember. And it may be that, you know, of course I wasn’t alive when these other the were going
Chris Gazdik: [00:10:48] on and Kennedy was shot and vietnam things were bad.
Craig Graves: [00:10:50] Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, you know, it’s just, people are so divided, man. You know, people are getting not, it’s just, it’s just, people are getting ridiculous,
Chris Gazdik: [00:11:00] you know, I don’t want to talk in it or out of it, but what, what are you thinking?
You know, I mean, just really, you know, the most important election.
Neil Robinson: [00:11:07] They were, like you said, they’re all very important. I think Craig hit on the head. I feel like when you look at the previous elections with the Wars and stuff that almost did unify the nation, there were, there was a reason there was something they were, they were fighting together for unifying.
For, you always had the outskirts, the protestors of the Vietnam war. But in this case with, without really an outside source that the nation can really unify and get together on, it’s all about internal struggles. And that internal struggle seems to be dividing us as to what people think is best for our nation.
So, you know, when nine 11 came around, the nation was unified too for that cause. And so that kind of changes how everyone works together, how they communicate. There’s a empathy. There’s. There’s a different attitude to it where now? And I think the pandemic had something to do with, it was the fact that we’re really stressed from being locked up for the last six, eight months.
And I just don’t think we’re our patients is there. We don’t have a unified cause that as a whole, that everyone can get together on. And I think that’s part of our struggle right now for this one. And I think that’s why it seems a lot more important than previous elections because we are overly stressed and hypersensitive because we are.
Dealing with the pandemic, dealing with the protests, you know, dealing with a lot of that stuff.
Chris Gazdik: [00:12:22] Yeah. It’s really interesting to me and I, and I’m going to agree and disagree with, I think you two guys in the sense that. It is shocking to me that we haven’t been able to unify as a people in a, in a pandemic environment that is a nine 11.
That is a war that is a coming, you know, together, as a unified group, to be able to, to, to, to manage a situation. I mean, it. It is, it is amazing to me that, that, that, that is the case. And I think that is a distinct difference. However, you know, I’m, I’m geeky in a sense of, I like to watch documentaries, I enjoy, you know, those black and white things you see on TV, you know, and, you know, vice president, what was his name?
Dadgummit. when, when Ford was coming into power, I forget what his, what vice Bay. Yeah. That guy was heavily heavily criticized and, and, and, Just demonized really in, in the media, in the way that he went about, campaigning. I mean, and that was just a vice-president it was, it was like, it’s a big deal.
So I think that this mental health factor, I really want to be able to suggest, I hope with some legitimacy that if Biden wins. You know, weren’t not going to degenerate into a socialist environment where the country’s going to be unrecognizable. Everything’s going to go South. If, if Trump wins, it’s not going to be just everybody.
What he’s going to continue to hate each other and, and nothing’s going to go, right. And there’s going to be tweets still every day. Well, there may be tweets every day actually, but it’s gonna be okay. Like, you know, we’re going to have points where we disagree. But we will have another election in 2024, I think.
Right. So I just, I just don’t want us as a fabric of our society to be torn apart more than it seems like it already is. we’ll be okay. You’re the way is that not possible?
Craig Graves: [00:14:22] I think anything’s possible. Yeah. And I hope you’re right. You know, and I know at times like this, you do hear a lot of. Fear-mongering and in terribly, so speculating, I think he could go, I think it could go South.
I mean, I don’t, I don’t know. I’m not an expert on it and things. I probably just drop somebody else’s anxiety too, because I’m not an expert on it. So of the topics I’m talking on, but you know, you’re crazy. You hear crazy things, you know, I’ve heard from two different, different people on upwards, opposite ends of the spectrum.
Well one right in one left that the, and again, I’m gonna try to remain as neutral as possible on what I say here, but the Democrats won’t to give, illegal aliens, the right to vote thinking they’re going to vote Democrat. They want to abolish the electoral college electorial college. you know, now they’re talking about the, the, the, the agenda would include stacking the Supreme court.
So both of these guys who were on one side on the far left, not far left ones, left wing ones more right wing have said, if that were to happen, then a Republican would never win another election history of our country, you know? And that would definitely change the, the, the, the trajectory of, of, of the States of the United States.
But if that were to happen. So, you know, so I don’t know, man, I don’t know.
Chris Gazdik: [00:15:49] Yeah. I, I don’t buy that for a second. I really don’t. It wasn’t too long ago when, when, Barack came in power and I remember very distinctly, a lot of, you know, talking to heads or whatever, like, Oh, the Republican party’s dying, it’s dead.
I mean, they can’t win anything. Now, come on. Where are we at now? You know, it’s very much alive there.
Craig Graves: [00:16:14] Those three things were to happen. I mean, if those three things were to happen, you know, Maybe maybe those guys are right. Say a guy on the left and on the right. Both said that because otherwise you’ll say, Oh, it’s just a right wing, conspiracy theory, nut, you know, but actually a guy who leans left, I heard him say it today.
He said exact same thing that if that were to happen republicans would never went again. And that would change the whole, the whole, future of our country that if it were to go down that way.
Chris Gazdik: [00:16:44] Okay. What do you think in mr. Neil? I mean, as you hear that, and as you see, you know, some of the things people are talking about with fear,
Neil Robinson: [00:16:56] I think a lot of people have an, they have fear because of the unknown.
And I think with the way our government is, I think there’s some checks and balances,
Chris Gazdik: [00:17:05] Craig, he just hit my second one that I was taught, going to talk about. He stole my thunder, this guy.
Craig Graves: [00:17:11] Fear the unknown.
Chris Gazdik: [00:17:11] Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah, absolutely.
Neil Robinson: [00:17:14] And the reality of it is we do have the three checks and balances, you know, the judicial, the executive, the legislative.
And so when the parties tried to do those things, you would hope that those checks and balances comes in. So, you know, anytime you deal with something where you don’t know what’s going to happen, the biggest problem that happens is your imagination. You start thinking, Oh, what if this happens? Or what if that happens?
And that’s what a lot of people do. and. A lot of the fears as Craig pointed out, if that happens, that’s a big problem with our government, with our nation. If that actually happens what they’re saying. So I understand the fear, but the reality is government works, slow. Government has our government has checks and balances in there.
And hopefully that it keeps those types of things from happening. So our fear could be unwarranted, but it is important to really look at it and say, if I have that fear. Can I do something to keep it from happening, you know, can I do anything in my control to help? And instead of just letting those fears run rampant,
Chris Gazdik: [00:18:11] you know, it’s an excellent point.
Neil and Craig, we have, a common friend, Dave and our group. you know, I was recently chatting with him and we were kicking a lot of stuff around and I shared with him and I’ll share with already audience right now. You know, the thing that I said to him to him was, you know, my, my biggest issue, one of the, one of my biggest voting issues, you know, I’m probably not going to do it, but I think I might make it in my, one of my exclusive issues that I am would maybe vote left or right from back and forth until somebody deals with the debt.
Craig Graves: [00:18:41] I don’t think you might as going to deal with that.
Chris Gazdik: [00:18:43] That scares me to death. Right?
Craig Graves: [00:18:45] What do you do at this point?
Chris Gazdik: [00:18:46] You got it. You better do something before. It, it, it capitalizes beyond what we can
Craig Graves: [00:18:52] not think it’s past
Chris Gazdik: [00:18:53] that, maybe so, and that makes me lose. You’re making me nervous and scared.
Craig Graves: [00:18:56] Don’t do that $2 trillion stimulus because of course it’s just going to get worse and worse.
Chris Gazdik: [00:19:01] But what he said was for him, that’s a watch item. You know, so Neil, I think you’re, you, you hit an absolutely excellent point in so far as how people get terrified and fearful and create things in their heads. Smart people. Now, mind you, we’re very smart people. It’s it’s part of what, what high achievers do is they have a lot of anxiety and they see all the negatives, you know, in advance and they award that one off and they award that one off and they ward that one off and they work super hard to prevent that one.
And they worked w super hard to prevent that one in that one. And you know what we call them, oftentimes chief executive officers. Okay. A lot of anxiety components and a lot of negative views. And it works it’s sometimes can really work to guide a company in a good direction. So. These are watch items. We can’t get to a point.
I hope no one ever hears me and saying, Hey guys, let’s manage our mental health. Let’s not be fearful, relax. This isn’t important because that’s not it at all. These are all very important things. They’re very, very crucial things. The three things you listed, Craig personally hope don’t happen. Period. I think we need to have them on a watch list to make sure that we manage that so that if, if, if one of them happened that we’re very thoughtful about it.
And we, we have checks and balances in our systems. That’s why we only have a very short-term president. That’s not common in the history of man to have terms that like that. Right.
Craig Graves: [00:20:25] And we need to have short-term congressmen and senators too.
Chris Gazdik: [00:20:28] yeah, I don’t honestly, you mean justice as a new thing I’m wondering about, but that’s a lifetime appointment.
For the stability of law, which is probably smarter people than me, the founders of our constitution and Federalist system probably have that in place for a good reason. That’s
Craig Graves: [00:20:45] another thing that baffles me is how the, how laws the Supreme court vote seems to go along. Liberal versus conservative. It’s ridiculous.
It’s the law. It ought to be pretty straightforward.
Chris Gazdik: [00:20:57] Yeah. I’m looking at the ballot and you’re voting for judges. This is a liberal judge. This is conservative judge. And it’s listed right there. Like what is that?
Craig Graves: [00:21:08] I don’t
Chris Gazdik: [00:21:08] even have a category for that. Yeah. So, so is it more stressful than it typically is? Okay. We have some checks maybe, maybe not. Fear of the unknown. I think I want to bring that up again and get that, you know, kind of talked about a little bit more in detail. How is the pandemic really a part of this?
My mental health mind. Really ties a lot of what’s going on to that. Honestly,
Craig Graves: [00:21:37] I don’t think it plays a whole huge part of it to be.
You
Chris Gazdik: [00:21:40] do not
Craig Graves: [00:21:41] know. I do. I don’t. I mean, it may, it may lose Trump votes because you know, the way the media, or maybe he has handled it badly, I don’t know. But, we were in this.
Excuse my language, we were in this shit show before coronavirus showed up. They were trying to impeach the president. Yeah. You know, before the coronavirus showed up and that even made it delayed the response to the, to the federal response to the virus, was the impeachment proceedings. I, I, that’s another topic of discussion, I guess, but.
Yeah. I mean, coronavirus is probably playing a little bit of a part of it, but, but it was already happening before that. I mean, the lines were already drawn.
Chris Gazdik: [00:22:21] No, no, no, absolutely. I’m saying in the, in with regards to the level of, of anxiousness that we have as a, as a people. In, in regards to the intensity of the stress, things that people are feeling I’m going to maintain as a mental health mind.
In my clinical mind, it is a huge component of what’s going on.
Craig Graves: [00:22:42] There’s no doubt be a fool to think it wasn’t, but, but not, I don’t think the coronavirus is, is driving any election anxiety. And if you think that’s the case, you’re going to have to help me understand why,
Chris Gazdik: [00:22:54] because that’s driven. Either or you could, you could argue artificially created or legitimately to be had either way.
It is a, it is the driving issue of people’s emotion. I
Craig Graves: [00:23:10] sense. I would say some people’s if you’re afraid of the virus, then yeah. If it’s generating fear in you, but if you’ve, if you’ve kind of accepted it for what it is, and you know, you’re just doing the best you can, then I would say no. And again, a lot of that’s along political lines.
It’s, it’s, it’s absolutely amazing to me how the coronavirus has become a political issue. Masks are a political issue. Shutdowns are a political issue. drugs have become a political issue. It’s become a blip. It’s it’s just, it’s so bizarre, you know, it’s so bizarre
Chris Gazdik: [00:23:46] and unfortunate.
Craig Graves: [00:23:47] Yeah. I don’t know if you, You know, our, our listeners may not know this, but I was listening to Joe Rogan the other day.
And, he said a friend is tested positive for COVID. And so the doctor asks him, I may have, I may have told this story on the show. I know I told it to you, Chris, at one point, but the guy says, are you a Democrat or Republican? And the guy’s like, what’s that got to do with it? And he says, well, I believe that hydroxyclophin can helps people.
He said in a fear, he said, what I have found is my democratic patients don’t want to take it. And my Republican patient, Republican patients will take it. We’ll take the drugs. So, you know, where are you on? You know, even, even drug treatments have become political issues.
Chris Gazdik: [00:24:28] I think it kind of gets back Neil to what you were saying with the fear of the unknown.
I believe that it’s either fanning the flames and you could say creating the fear or that it’s a legitimate concern and fear. And I would submit to you neither needs to be the way I can’t tell you how much of a typical phobia, germs and disease. And. Fears and phobias of hospitals and going to the doctor in the first place.
I think that that is a, an experience that people have Craig, that is just part of the human psyche that is exacerbated used. You could say, in the election to manage what the agenda is of somebody. And I think a lot of it is if you cannot see the coronavirus,
Neil Robinson: [00:25:17] you
Chris Gazdik: [00:25:17] cannot see it. And it said to kill people.
So people are walking around fearful because they’re going to die. That’s what’s
Craig Graves: [00:25:25] happening. Not everybody, not everybody. Absolutely. Yeah,
Chris Gazdik: [00:25:29] absolutely. But you see what I’m saying? I mean, I think that the fear of the unknown with that Neil is a big part of what is going on. I think the pandemic’s right in the middle of the anxieties people have.
Neil Robinson: [00:25:39] Yeah. And I think the political campaigns are playing off that fear. You know, anytime you want to, you know, Sway someone’s judgment. You’d deal with their emotions first. And I think they’re fanning those flames by bringing up that when you want actually campaign any of the campaign commercials, it’s always those things that hit close to home that that brings out those emotions.
Once you get the emotions in check, that’s a whole nother whole nother ball game. They really take to heart what they’re seeing, what they’re believing and, and it’s, it’s. You have to get through the emotions to get to the thoughts, to get to an understanding. and these campaign, their commercials are great because it’s hitting those emotions for whether you believe strongly, strongly, either way.
They’re, they’re hitting those. So people really believe this party is going to save the country. We are the way either way you go.
Chris Gazdik: [00:26:27] Right. Craig. We talked about, we did some coronavirus shows, some pandemic shows and stuff. You remember the three things I was calling for? I’ve talked a lot about that, right?
A calm attitude. no, I’m sorry. First prudent decisions. Second it calm attitudes or fear and shame. Aren’t involved in what people are, are doing. And three, awareness so that people are aware of what’s going on. So that ignorance or avoidance isn’t in. In charge. I think that’s a, that’s a pretty strong three.
I’ve said it right from the beginning. I’ll say it right through here. I do believe that the pandemics in the middle of a lot of the anxieties and tensions that people are having, whether they’re pissed off that it’s over were blown or they’re fearful, they’re going to die in their car alone, prudent, calm, and awareness.
That’s what we need. And I think they failed on all three, honestly.
Craig Graves: [00:27:14] Yeah. I think awareness is the tough part because you don’t know who to believe. You don’t know who to believe. Yeah. And, you know, the CDC says one thing one day and something else, the next masks are not masks are useless. Don’t wear a mask.
And the next day it’s all masks to save lives, wear masks, you know, and it’s just ridiculous. The, the, the, the misinformation that’s out there. And, you know, then you start playing a as sensorship where you have. Social media companies, censoring stuff that people, people are posting data off. The CDC website and Facebook and Twitter are moving that information saying, it’s this disinformation when it comes straight off of the, you know, the CDC website, it’s just, you can’t be aware.
You don’t know what the hell to believe.
Chris Gazdik: [00:28:02] Wow. Right. Good segue. Good segue. Social media. I think that this is also a big factor in kind of what’s going on, with increasing the level of stress and anxiety people are having. And you know, this goes back to mr. Adrian spickler. You remember when he was on here and he was talking about technology anxiety.
And do you remember how he talked about Craig Neil, you are with us then, how he talked about one of the books, big factors that technology has created. Do you remember choice, right? Do you remember? He was talking about. The factor and, you know, you’re, you’re sorry, Craig, but you’re a bigger techie guy than a both of us.
I think that fair thing to say, sir,
Craig Graves: [00:28:42] pretty much, sorry.
Chris Gazdik: [00:28:45] You know, he said that technology, the boom in the internet, the boom in technology, we’re getting ready to jump to 5g or in a minute, whatever that means, you know, he laughed at me like Chris, of course it means this. You see that look audience, that was, that was a piercing faster
Neil Robinson: [00:29:02] now.
Chris Gazdik: [00:29:02] Right? Right. How do people handle all of the choices that we have and how much of that is a part of what people are experiencing in. I’m going to give you a little bit of tip or hint, mr. Graves. I feel like that is why it seems it’s one of the big reasons why it seems that there is so much polarization.
We’ll talk about it, but Neal, what do you think of air? I mean, social media, the impact, how has that increasing, maybe decreasing anxiety? I don’t know what you think.
Neil Robinson: [00:29:36] social media is increasing anxiety, you know, as technology’s evolved and has gotten smarter faster, better. It’s made us rely on it more, which means we don’t think like we should, we don’t focus.
Like we should, we don’t really comprehend or understand, like we should. So when you have all these choices, like you said, with social media, all these things are coming in from all different sources, from valid sources to not right. Not valid sources, invalid. it’s the Russians, the Russians. Exactly.
It’s a lot to take in. And without, and we don’t have the time to really understand it. Or there isn’t a vetting process to really say, is this right or not? And those choices really, to me, cause more anxiety. If, if you go and you, you look at a map and you want to go find something to eat and you have to restaurants,
Chris Gazdik: [00:30:23] literally
Neil Robinson: [00:30:24] you literally freeze is that analysis.
I promise it’s like, which one do I pick? But if you had two restaurants or three restaurants, Oh, I feel like Mexican, I’ll go over there. But now you have five Mexican restaurants and a couple. Mixed ones. Like, I don’t know which one I want. So honestly, social media, too many choices. It’s overwhelming. I, it causes more anxiety than it helps personally.
And as someone who does technology stuff,
Chris Gazdik: [00:30:46] let me come back to you, Neil. It’s also because Craig, we talked about it before and we did the media shows and we said, you know, you and I grew up at st. Air Dan rather, right? One of the most trusted people in America at the time, how was his listening to New York there?
And I’m going to ask you the question and then I want to go back to you Nealon and say, you know, If Dan rather were on TV right now, do you think you and I would be glued to the TV and watching Dan rather, rather than fill in the blank, right?
Craig Graves: [00:31:16] that’s that’s a good question. I don’t know, to me, it seems back in those days, I’d rather hear Dan rather than I would the people on TV now, but, but journalism has gone into such a cesspool.
That I’m afraid that Dan rather wouldn’t be any better than the rest of these people. If he were on the TV today, you know,
Chris Gazdik: [00:31:37] it’s it’s, I don’t know that. Right. It just occurred to me was you were talking about that. I mean, you, you remember Dan rather, and how news was and the. You know, eighties when he was all growing up and stuff.
I
Neil Robinson: [00:31:47] heard about that. I’m a little bit younger. I wasn’t paying attention to the news.
Chris Gazdik: [00:31:51] That is so painful. It’s so painful, mr. Graves. It was. And I think that is an interesting question that I’d like to pose for our listening audience that is old enough, at least Neil, to know who Dan rather really wasn’t to be able to watch news in that era, if you would watch that same guy today.
And I submit to you that, you know, maybe Greg Craig you’re right. that would force Dan to fight for more headlines and push an agenda to get a little bit more spicy, a little bit more racy, a little bit more controversial, a little bit more heard. And he wouldn’t be Dan rather. Can you be Dan rather in this
Craig Graves: [00:32:29] market?
No, no, you can’t. You wouldn’t get to do it, but I get a job. Wow.
Chris Gazdik: [00:32:34] This is free thought. And we’re in free talk today. And that seriously, that makes me sad. That makes me sad if that’s, if that’s the case
Craig Graves: [00:32:41] maybe could and so on some stations, but others, you could not, that definitely could not.
Chris Gazdik: [00:32:46] That’s seriously sucks.
Yeah, I might have to think about that more at sea. Like that seriously sucks, Dan, rather, couldn’t it be Dan rather in this playable media market today? That’s the statement for the audience?
Craig Graves: [00:32:59] Yeah, the, the, you know, people who’ve listened to us for any amount of time, know my frustrations with the media and it just keeps getting worse.
I mean, it just keeps getting worse. Cause this Hunter Biden story that came out Twitter and Facebook basically censored this story from their platforms. CNN, NBC, CBS, NPR. They’re, they’re not even covering the thing, man, because they say it’s sketchy information when they’ve ran story after story about the president on anonymous sources and, and a lot of those stories now have been proven to be absolutely false.
And so the reason I point that out is because of the bias, you know, you can’t have a, you can’t have. I think you said that, that we need a, we need a media. We need the media for our democracy, but we need an unbiased media who calls it like it is. We don’t have that. We’ve got a, we’ve got an extension of the democratic party.
In most cases in, in our, in our media, the majority of our media is an extension of the democratic party state run media, basically.
Chris Gazdik: [00:34:06] Okay. I want to bring up the idea of social dilemma. Let’s take a break and we’ll come right back and we’re going to get back to the media and the effects as demonstrated by social dilemma.
Got a break for better help. And this is a new thing, mr. Graves and Neil, I’d like for you to tell the audience what we going on, unless we’re going to spend a couple of minutes here on this to demonstrate for the first time we mentioned it. I think last week it was just a brief mention. we’ve got a new, sponsorship relationship, a partnership with better help.
Dot com Nia, what have you found out about these guys? What are they what’s going on? Is that a new counseling button on throughatherapistseyes.com?
Neil Robinson: [00:34:51] Yes we do. Yeah, we put it up, actually yesterday, got approval from better help. And basically this is a great partnership. They’re gonna sponsor the podcast, being a podcast about mental health and wellness.
It’s a, it’s a great segue for those people that, that really need that next step. That really need that help. You know, as Craig mentioned earlier, Our platform is an education platform. We’re just kind of giving you guys information, but we also know that a lot of people need more help than that. And so better help can come in and give you some, some great online counseling, online therapist and, and the time of this pandemic, being able to talk to someone, even though it’s a video face-to-face call or however they have it set up, it’s a great resource for people that need it.
Yeah. you go to our website, you can click on counseling at the top. on that page, on the online counseling page, there is a button you click on that button. It’ll take you through a nice survey that basically figures out, you know, where to best help you and asks you questions about, what you’re going through, who you are.
And then it’s going to give you some options at the end and match you with the perfect online therapist for you to help deal with your issues. So, it’s, it’s a great resource. You know, Chris, you mentioned them at one point and. Follow it up. And I think it’s great sponsorship for us.
Chris Gazdik: [00:36:00] You know what I would’ve said three month lamp, six months ago about telephone telephonic therapy.
Neil Robinson: [00:36:08] I think you were against it, right?
Chris Gazdik: [00:36:12] Mr. Graves. You know what I say now about telephonic therapy?
Craig Graves: [00:36:15] I do not.
Chris Gazdik: [00:36:15] Yes, you do. He tuned out.
Craig Graves: [00:36:18] I never even heard of telephonic therapy. You’re talking about,
Chris Gazdik: [00:36:21] I know he’s gone. We’re going to come back to the room, man. And now I say, yay. It is awesome. And I have been shocked honestly about that.
I am excited about this actually for our audience, in full disclosure, we have on the, on the website there, please note that throughatherapistseyes does receive compensation for referrals to better help. That is a way to help the show. But you’re helping yourself out too. It’s a win-win, you know, we have.
I actually held off a little bit on this a little bit, because I really only talking about and, and advocate for things that I really believe in. And I have been a big skeptic. I’ve never really liked doing telephone therapy. I have not, I don’t feel that you get a good connection. I don’t feel that you get as much engagement.
I don’t feel that you get as much, you know, read on, you know, even diagnostics such and such like that. I mean, it, it is still by far better to see a therapist face to face. I will say that however, Dude, some of my better sessions, Craig have been on the telephone with people and I’m shocked at that.
And so this is a great service if you’re somewhere in the nation and you want to kind of get connected. we’ll talk more about it a little bit, but I am fully ready and able to endorse, you know, better help.com. Check it out on the counseling button to throughatherapistseyes.com. So back to the show with the social dilemma, have you guys seen the show?
Craig Graves: [00:37:48] It’s on my list, but I haven’t watched it yet.
Chris Gazdik: [00:37:50] We need to watch that. And I want to watch that together with you actually that’d be a good Friday night activity if you’re down with it soon,
Craig Graves: [00:37:57] Friday night and watching Netflix with Chris. Yeah, that sounds like a great
Neil Robinson: [00:38:00] you guys going to Netflix and chill.
Chris Gazdik: [00:38:06] Wow. I feel hurt. I’m not laughing. bummer, so howabout Neil. How about we watch social lemon together and, on a good Friday night, you know, I’d like to do that with you, you down with that.
Neil Robinson: [00:38:19] Sure. We’ll we’ll pick a time.
Chris Gazdik: [00:38:21] Thank you, man. I appreciate that. I appreciate that a lot. Do you know what it is, Neil? Nope. Oh, you don’t even know.
I don’t watch Netflix. It’s coming up and I think it’s going to come up actually again in the next show that we did actually next week. I have not watched it myself. But I think that it demonstrates what I learned about in my, conferences, probably a year or two ago, the last, CPU cycle that I, that I had, the reality of it is we know that social media causes anxiety.
We know this. Remember when we did it for the kids, parenting and social media with kids and Neil, I think you just nailed it a little bit ago. Like the anxiety creation through choices and that’s not all, but through the, the inundation of information, it’s overwhelming, not just choices, but information in, in total, the, the, the, the, the way that these things are specifically designed.
I mean, you, you, you know, we were sitting here. Craig’s literally right now, got his phone in his hand, Neil’s taping on the computer. I’m looking at my phone cause the Apple thing just came up and my computer is on from him. We were talking about a little bit ago with better help. Like how do we have our attention sprayed and strained and not feel anxious?
Not to mention they’re geared scientifically through psychologists who have been designing this as hired by. Facebooks and the Twitters and the tumblers and Twitters. And whatever’s the thing to absolutely start off small, get you engaged, tingle your interests, tingle it even more beep and buzz give you notifications, reminders, you feel good.
It’s an endorphin release. It actually triggers dopamine. When you get the deal, somebody wants to talk to me, they know this, right?
Craig Graves: [00:39:58] Yep.
Chris Gazdik: [00:40:00] And this is right in the middle of our now public elections. Plural. I think that. That is a big part. And the show social dilemma is going to demonstrate that because the founders of these companies are on there talking about, this in, in having their fear of it, their fear of it.
I am, I’m looking forward to it. If you will pray on a Friday night, watch it with me,
Craig Graves: [00:40:23] whose fear of it,
Chris Gazdik: [00:40:25] the creators of the social media sites themselves, Pinterest, is the, the creator of Pinterest, the creator of, I think Twitter. a few of them are on the show and, and, and I, and I’ll tell you the, the conferences that I went to with the, what was the name?
Paul, mr. Mr. Weigle. Remember that? Yeah, he’s a leading professional in the nation talking about children and, addictions and abuses and anxiety, creators. And, he helped me kind of, I learned a lot from him, both at his conference and in our talking about it. he, he demonstrated that these guys, they created these social media sites do not allow their teans to have those tools.
Craig Graves: [00:41:08] I remember that thing. I remember that. I don’t remember him saying
Chris Gazdik: [00:41:11] that. Yeah, maybe it was the conference then, but
Craig Graves: [00:41:13] yeah. So you’re saying that Zuckerberg and Jack Dorsey and people like that who have children, don’t generally don’t let their kids have social, social media
Chris Gazdik: [00:41:22] will not.
Craig Graves: [00:41:23] Interesting.
Neil Robinson: [00:41:24] Yeah, I think I thought I heard something like Steve jobs didn’t allow his kids to have like iPhones or iPads
Chris Gazdik: [00:41:30] or anything like that.
None of them do. I think, I don’t know if that’s a true statement, but I suspect, and I’ll watch the show and I’ve, I’ve heard things already to say terrible
Craig Graves: [00:41:38] because those guys are getting filthy wealthy. Absolutely. By kids using social media
Chris Gazdik: [00:41:45] and we’re stuckers for it.
Craig Graves: [00:41:46] So they know it’s detrimental. They won’t let their kids have it.
Well, it’s almost like selling drugs.
Chris Gazdik: [00:41:51] It is crazy. It absolutely is many. It
Neil Robinson: [00:41:55] kind of looks like those rock stars that they don’t want their kids to get in the same environment just because they do it and they make money off of it. They know how bad it is and they don’t want them to have it either.
Chris Gazdik: [00:42:03] And here’s my point for the purposes of our conversation guys, do we, I realized that that is right in the middle of now our political election,
Craig Graves: [00:42:13] yeah.
I would argue this, that social media was around for the last couple of elections. I don’t
Chris Gazdik: [00:42:19] think,
Craig Graves: [00:42:20] I do think it’s probably digressed and
Chris Gazdik: [00:42:23] not only going down a bad
Craig Graves: [00:42:25] place since then seems like it was more or neutral.
Chris Gazdik: [00:42:29] I want to say that Obama under his two terms. That that’s where the use of social media began to explode.
Did Bush do? I don’t think that he did much, did he
Craig Graves: [00:42:41] Obama was the first president really use social media marketing to get his reach is to reach his audience.
Chris Gazdik: [00:42:49] It was like, Whoa, what’s he doing? He’s cool. He’s young, he’s hip. He knows this stuff. And I’m not saying that was bad. And I’m not saying that what Trump does, w w w with Twitter.
Primarily or with social media is necessarily bad or good, but I am saying that it’s creating a lot of anxiety for people
Craig Graves: [00:43:04] it’s bad. It’s not good. Trump, Trump posts a lot of messages almost just to S you know, it almost seems like just to stir things up,
Chris Gazdik: [00:43:14] it’s effective.
Craig Graves: [00:43:16] Yeah. And in pissing people off.
Chris Gazdik: [00:43:17] Yeah. And I’m, and I’m not saying that that’s good nor bad only because I think that social media can be used for tremendously. Good. But we are not as a society. How about this first statement? We are not as a society ready or adept at using it effectively yet for our positive mental health and positive progression.
Craig Graves: [00:43:37] No social media. We’re talking about emotions earlier and maybe we’ll go back to that at some point. But it drives emotion, man. It drives anger. It drives fear. It drives anxiety and anxiety. the stuff people post I’ve quit following people who post a lot of political stuff on my, on my social media channels.
I never did, you know, I don’t defriend people, but I will quit following them. So I just want to see it, you know, and a lot of those are people I agree with. I just get tired of seeing it. Absolutely. You know, and, You’re not going to, I had a discussion the other day with some guys on, on social media, ironically, and I just don’t believe you’re going to change.
Anybody’s associate their political opinion based on stuff that you’re posting on social media. I could be wrong, but that’s just my belief.
Chris Gazdik: [00:44:28] Let me make fun of the Google search. And one of the things that I did here was. augmenting what we’re talking about a little bit with, with things. And I, I didn’t do this with this prep at all, hardly, but I did actually do one Google search. What did I type? I think I said. The election and your mental health.
That’s what I typed into Google. You know, one of the things I’ve found very thick is there a lot of people that are blogging about this, there are a lot of people talking about this and well, there’s an article it’s in the social media, the website that we have, if you want to go see it, I guess Neil you’ll have that up there.
You can even delete it and not have it up there this time. I don’t care. Three ways in which voting can benefit mental health. I did. So like some of their ideas, they said one, a resource that alleviates stress when you vote. Okay. To political activism linked to happiness. I guess there’s some people that looked at that and closely and tried to say, yeah, three, three, a shield from discriminated stressors here.
Here’s what I took from that. And even the reason, go ahead, Greg,
Craig Graves: [00:45:26] can I go back over there? Couple of those one, one, three.
Chris Gazdik: [00:45:29] Well, I don’t want to spend all that time here at all. I really don’t. I really, really don’t Craig, please. Three ways in which voting can benefit mental health. One person’s idea. This was on.
Medical news today, I guess, medicine news today, whatever, one, a resource to alleviate stress to political activity. It’s happiness shield the top,
Craig Graves: [00:45:51] stop and go. But let’s go one by one. So I don’t see how voting itself you, I, we can eliminate stress because if you believe that the Democrats you’re going to do what I said, or if you believe that Trump is, you know, gonna Institute it.
And I do think it’s funny that. Yeah, both sides. Think the other side is going to implement some kind of art or authoritarian government or whatever, but after you walk away from the pole, you’re like, Oh my God, I hope my guy wins. Because if you don’t, then this is going to happen. You know, you guys going to take over
Chris Gazdik: [00:46:22] the world.
That is not what happened to me a couple of days ago.
Craig Graves: [00:46:25] Okay, well, let’s hear your experience and that didn’t happen to me either, but I think there’s people who probably are in them.
Chris Gazdik: [00:46:31] Yeah. there is, I think, and I never thought about this until I was kind of thinking about the show and, and saw this article years away.
I added it to our conversation is because it, it, it is an action that you take in generally in psychology and mental health. My book has a lot of action points in it. That’s a big theme that you’ll see in through therapist, rediscovering emotion and coming your best self. Take action. Right. And voting is an action.
So honestly, and I experienced is pretty much every time that I vote. It’s like, Oh, I did it. I feel good about having done it. And it’s over. Like for me, I’ve done my action. I rest my peace with that ballot. It means a lot to me. I believe in our country. I believe in our system. And I did my part. It feels good to do.
Craig Graves: [00:47:23] Your part, have you, have you voted yet? Yes.
Chris Gazdik: [00:47:26] Well, I’m not telling you that on national worldwide television TV program voted for the best candidate. That’s what I did. I voted for the winner. I always vote for the winner,
Craig Graves: [00:47:36] voted for the least worst or whatever
Chris Gazdik: [00:47:38] it’s called actually, you know, not going to lie, you know, big brother, we like big brother.
Yeah, you don’t watch the show. Do you watch big brother Neil
Craig Graves: [00:47:46] show a big
Chris Gazdik: [00:47:47] show. Big brother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, we like reality TV a little bit. It’s like they, they go on there. I reluctantly vote Cheryl to leave big, bro. It’s the kinds of thing. Anybody listens to the big brother out there? I felt like that.
Just diamonds.
Craig Graves: [00:48:02] All right. What was number two?
Chris Gazdik: [00:48:03] Oh gosh. political activism linked to happiness.
Craig Graves: [00:48:07] I don’t think people who are actually out there. Who are political activists are very happy people.
Chris Gazdik: [00:48:14] I’ve never been one. So
Craig Graves: [00:48:15] happy to me. They’re burning down cities and shooting each other. And
Neil Robinson: [00:48:19] well, you question, if that’s really political activism or something else,
Chris Gazdik: [00:48:22] that’s very, very
Neil Robinson: [00:48:23] much better doing that going that far.
Even
Craig Graves: [00:48:26] people I see who aren’t doing that seem like they’re
Chris Gazdik: [00:48:28] angry. No. I agree. I disagree with you, Craig. And I’ve got my perception. I got a really good example. We just did a show with, mr. Scotty. Oh my God. I’m blanking. Scottie Reed.
Craig Graves: [00:48:42] I’ll take it back. He was a cool dude.
Neil Robinson: [00:48:44] Did he is
Chris Gazdik: [00:48:45] very, very active with the issues that we have in race relations in our County, where they statue.
And I mean, I went out and talked to the people, the protests, and it is not the rioting crazy people that we’re talking about. Thank you, Neil, for your perspective, there. It’s it’s it’s activism is being able to voice your view. And that feels good. Whether you’re talking about it in a marriage, whether you’re talking about it at work, when you have a meeting, you, when you feel heard, it’s even better, you get frustrated when you don’t feel heard.
That’s a factor I’m thinking of this in the context of our mental health and relationships that we have brand on a macro level. Simply on a micro level as well.
Craig Graves: [00:49:27] Yeah, I think that’s probably debatable. And based on the individual, I think that Scotty Reid was a really nice guy. I think that he wants to sit down with people and talk through the issues, man.
I don’t think he’s a, in your face kind of guy, but on the other hand, I got another guy on my social media who, who I’ve unfollowed because I get tired of seeing what he posts, but he’s like, These people are criminals. You know, you gotta be, look bone in jail. You know, all these people suck and I’m like, dude, you know, you, you don’t have any idea what you’re talking about and that’s, that’s not a happy person.
Neil Robinson: [00:50:01] And I, I think it goes back to really what activism really is. And I think the two things that this article, cause I kind of looked at it because I see the show notes is two things that. That this gives the person is one, it gives them control. They actually are saying, Hey, I’m doing something about something
Chris Gazdik: [00:50:17] good.
Neil Robinson: [00:50:17] And two, the other thing is it’s a purpose. You know, when people feel lost then are sure where to go. The getting bombarded with all the social media stuff, when they actually have a purpose behind what they’re doing, they’re more fulfilled and they’re going to be more content with themselves. So I think even though it’s funny that we’re talking about voting and activism and stuff, it fulfills two big natures of.
Taking control of your life and also having a purpose with what you’re doing. So I can see where they’re not that far off because you’re taking and this younger, especially younger generation, that’s BioMarin all of these, and they’re saying, Hey, you can actually do something and basically give yourself a purpose or a reason to do something.
I think that’s the biggest difference that I see with us. And the what, think, what they’re trying to the hit is there’s a lot of things that they think are out of their control, you know, racism, police brutality, blah, blah, blah. but now with the activism, they can actually say, Hey, it’s not out of my control.
They have more confidence in it and there’s less fear because they feel like they’re doing something about it.
Chris Gazdik: [00:51:18] You know, it’s funny Neil, because I agree from a mental health perspective, I was listening to there and trying to kind of think of it in the context of what I see in my office and how I’m working with people.
And that is, is, I mean, it’s really consistent with what I see from people when they’re feeling. Out of control, helpless, hopeless, and run over and, and, and taking an action, getting something expressed, having a sense of control, whether it’s real or not, your vote is, an assemblance of control. And that’s consistent with, with positive mental health.
Craig Graves: [00:51:52] Yeah. I don’t disagree with that having purpose and stuff like that. I just think that a lot of people who were on, on the far ends of that. Or are not happy people, they’re angry people. They’re, they’re trying to bully people into their way of believing. And if they w they don’t believe or dis or disagree, then they, they try to blacklist or blackball those people in some way, you know, you can be a political act, political activist, or disagree with somebody and still have purpose and meaning and fulfillment.
You know, if you do it in a loving way, but a lot of people aren’t doing it that way,
Chris Gazdik: [00:52:25] because we do not know how to have conversations on social media platforms behind our screens yet as a group.
Craig Graves: [00:52:33] Yeah. They’re, they’re, they’re, face-to-face on YouTube in some of the things, man. It’s not just a social media issue.
There, there are people who were, who were angry and ugly who are out there and call themselves political activists.
Chris Gazdik: [00:52:46] True, but I think a lot of the texting, I mean, I’m getting inundated with texts on my phone from both parties. It’s like crazy. I don’t understand. I think all I was making a point. There is people say a lot more.
On a computer behind a screen, you know, whether they’re on Facebook or whatnot, then they would face to face
Craig Graves: [00:53:04] th th th that, that I don’t disagree with that at all. But I’m just saying, I think a lot of people who are political activists are not
Chris Gazdik: [00:53:11] the way we’re having a lot of political activist conversations, unfortunately.
Craig Graves: [00:53:15] True. But, but I see a lot of people who are talking to each other in person. It is not pretty either.
Neil Robinson: [00:53:21] And I think that goes back to when, when your nature is designed around quick responses on text or social media, when you actually go to put that into practice, by talking to someone, your reactions are quick, knee jerk, you know, it’s like, I’m trying to think of my teenage kids and their communication is through texts.
Like, do you actually have a conversation with your friends? Like they just sit there and stare at each other. It’s like, that’s what we’re missing. And that’s what this technology kills for. A lot of our stuff is the fact that we don’t actually properly have conversations. I don’t get there. I sit there and look at Craig and say, Oh, he’s really getting mad.
How do I actually empathize and deal with it? So technology causes that disconnect in the, and how to really work with each other.
Chris Gazdik: [00:54:02] Right. Yeah. You know, I see that, you know, I, I think I want to play off that Neil and, and go to one of the last factors that I want to kind of point out, you know, is that, you know, along with the fear of the unknown, I think you had stole my thunder with that one, right?
Yeah. Yeah. Well, another one is that goes along, the two big ones that I was really kind of thinking about is, is this, you know, we’ll be okay either way. And then. And then the fear of the unknown. I should’ve probably said three, honestly, because this one is, was a big one kind of as well in my brain.
The fear of change. Now, I don’t think this is anything new. I think this is probably something that has gone through pretty much, most all electronic, like, election cycles for the history that we’ve had them. People generally do not like things to change. It is kind of a combination of the fear of the unknown, but we know eventually things are going to change.
And I think that’s a good thing. We fight through that fear. Cause we have term limits, like we said a little bit ago. We, we, we all seem to think that’s a good idea. Well, every time you have a term come up, that’s limited. That’s changed. How do people deal with that change? Is that comfortable or scary?
Right? You ever think about that?
Neil Robinson: [00:55:06] Yeah. All the time
Chris Gazdik: [00:55:08] scale change.
Neil Robinson: [00:55:09] Oh yeah. Change. I mean, that’s the things that. When people go through and changes are about to happen, that, that the unknown adds the fear, but the resiliency, everyone always makes it through. But when it comes to happen, just like when you have a kid and your wife’s pregnant and she’s about to have the baby, there’s that fear of that change.
But when it comes out, everything’s okay. You know, think about what happened four years ago, we made it through the last four years, but the fear was there beforehand. And so it’s that fear of the unknown because of the change. And then once the change happens, People are, will realize, Hey, we can make it through this.
It’s just before that, they doubt.
Chris Gazdik: [00:55:44] And you know, what is cool, Neil? I didn’t plan it this way, but it, but it, but it plays in my mind, I think rather, well, you know, what is it called? Bookend book ending our show, really when starting out that way and playing off what you just said, and we needed a taxi in for a landing here, I think, you know, we’ll be okay.
And after the change, or if the Trump wins, it won’t be a change, but need is done. It will be a change. We get that change happen. That causes anxiety, but then it will be okay. And as it usually words and what I started out trying to say, maybe not so well, Whitley as you just did, right? The fear of the unknown, the fear of change when it’s done, like we’re going to be okay.
Craig Graves: [00:56:25] Even if it’s
Chris Gazdik: [00:56:26] no, God. Oh, no, wait. I meant, I meant Craigie Trump. I’m so confused now. Right?
You’re good to Somerset. W w what are you guys thinking? I don’t want to leave you guys out of faults that you had, to, to wrap us up, but what, what do you thinking here? Texting unit? are we going to be okay, Neil?
Neil Robinson: [00:56:46] Absolutely. What about you, Craig? What do you think?
Craig Graves: [00:56:50] I think the sky is falling chicken, little.
Chris Gazdik: [00:56:58] All right. You guys got any summary thoughts? Things you’re thinking about?
You gotta say yes or no. I’m going to stand here in silence. Like therapists can do it sessions to be silent for a while.
Craig Graves: [00:57:12] You know, I, at this point, I really don’t. I mean, I think that the, the anxiety is going to be there, people until this thing’s over with, and then we’ll continue to roll on and, and see what happens in the future.
Chris Gazdik: [00:57:25] you know, again, people are having a hard time out there. We, we try to give you a little bit of entertainment was with difficult topics. At times I know the pandemics going on. I know race relations are going on. I know the election is going on and these are all very tough. You know, we will get through this.
I think I want to highlight again. We’ll be okay. Either way, one way or another. I want to highlight prudent decisions, calm attitude, and awareness to be had with pandemic. I want to highlight the idea that, you know, the media is what it is. We can, maybe look for that day and rather Mr. Graves on, on TV.
So he’s gotta be somewhere out there. Right. And, fear cannot rule whether it’s fear of change or fear of the unknown. so let’s wrap it up, man, election night in a few nights. let’s see what happens guys. Strap in, buckled in,
see you next week.