With Chris starting his speaking engagements, he wanted to go over some of the topics he covers in his presentation about the Methodical Management of the Mental Health. We start with a foundation of human nature and how we can be affected when dealing with life issues and the stress they bring. Then they talk about the 3 steps that you can go through to tackle the initial problem and build yourself up to be able to manage those types of situations in the future.
Tune in to see the Management of Stress and Life Issues Through a Therapist’s Eyes.
Listen for the following takeaways from the show:
- Current Event about Neurodivergence and Neurodiversity.
- This episode gives a sneak peek into the Methodical Management of Mental Health that Chris presents.
- Chris brings up the Marshmallow Tower Ted Talk to show the differences in how different groups of people work together.
- You need to go take actions when dealing with life issues and develop from there.
- When developing new skills and habits, it takes time and patience with yourself.
- Using these life skills progressively improves your ability to manage life stress.
- You have to start by identifying emotions.
- This is the most important part because you have to which ones you are dealing with.
- The important issues will continue to re-appear and then you can deal with it.
- You then pick a skill that you can execute.
- Chris provides you a list of tools and skills you can try.
- Then you need to practice these skills until they become second nature.
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Episode #186 Transcription
Chris Gazdik: [00:00:00] Hello, everybody out there welcome to Through a Therapist’s Eyes. We love that you’ve joined us for another episode where we are going to talk about Neil. You might have to help me out because I’ve made jokes about it and I’ve screwed up the title multiple times. So help me out. What are we talking about today?
Neil Robinson: The management of stress and life
Chris Gazdik: issues. Yeah. Yeah. So this is a, this is actually going to be a different little bit of an episode. We’re going to be talking about. The topic in the context of what we’ve been doing this week, we’ve been doing some professional speaking engagements. It really just all stacked up together.
I knew this was several months ago when we, we booked them and planned them. So more on that in a little bit, but this is where you get to get personal insights from a therapist in your own home or car being aware. This is not the delivery of therapy services in any way. And we [00:01:00] appreciate you helping us out.
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We sometimes put those on the air, do some fun stuff with people that say things that make me think things I’ve never thought before. That’s what happens. Yes. You know? And so that’s a lot of fun to do. So guys, as always, this is the human emotional experience, and we endeavor to figure that out together.
But talking more about why I say that it’s, I don’t know why it’s just been coming up more and more, but that’s what I think we do in therapy. We figure things out together [00:02:00] and you know, no, one’s the expert on an individual person. Inside themselves then themselves doing nothing more than facilitating a dynamic process that I think we talked about a lot last week.
Didn’t we?
Neil Robinson: Yes. Yeah. With Melissa. That was a good, good conversation between two experienced therapists.
Chris Gazdik: She really has a lot of experience. I think she got me beat by a year, one year, one year. That’s all. So, so I’m going to do a current event this time to start out with, and it’s actually came from a therapy session today and it was a new term.
So I don’t know if this is in the news per se or not, but Neil, have you ever heard of something called neuro diversity?
Neil Robinson: I know of the term. I’ve heard of the term what exactly it is. I don’t know.
Chris Gazdik: Who knows what it is. I looked at it. I got definitions written down, [00:03:00] neuro divergent. Oh, I didn’t copy the definition of the dag on thing.
And you might, you want for your phone? Well, the definition of neurodivergent was really simple neurodiversity though, listen to what they kind of put it as differing in mental health or neurological functioning from what is considered typical or normal frequently used with reference to autism spectrum disorder, not neuro-typical neurodiversity describes the idea that people experience and interact with the world around them in many ways, different.
There is no one right way of thinking, learning and behaving and differences are not viewed as deficits. They have that underlined in this article. The word neurodiversity refers to a diversity of all people, but it is often used, oh, I repeated it must have copied twice. Right type like piping up the neuro-diversity movement emerged during the 1990s, aiming to increase acceptance and inclusion of [00:04:00] all people while embracing neurological differences through online platforms, more and more autistic people were able to connect and form a self-advocacy movement.
And it goes on to kind of describe, you know, how this thing got started in all. So did you look at neurodivergence the deaf diversity and narrow, narrow, narrow neurodivergent you’re
Neil Robinson: on neurodivergent or neurodiversity
Chris Gazdik: neurodivergent
Neil Robinson: that’s the definition
Chris Gazdik: you had? It is similar. I thought it was similar, but I had something to do.
Neil Robinson: No, I got the same thing. Yeah. So it’s,
Chris Gazdik: it’s just, it was interesting conversation that we had in, in session and you know, kind of a younger generation thing. It seems like a, I don’t want to poke too much holes in this, but I chose to use it as a current event because of what I’ve seen over the years, where people are beginning to pool from the [00:05:00] psychological field, from the mental health and substance abuse world, these terms and these, these, these things that seem cool, I guess, but, but get kind of twisted in not having an understanding.
And so I thought it would be cool from, from my perspective as a therapist, sort of weighing in on what this is, By no means do I want to piss anybody off and make fun of the diversity component? We are all different people and there’s been lots of movements to kind of bring those things out. She’s in the political world, we’ve got a, what are they calling it?
The my brain’s just farting culture wars, right? the abortion things in the news. Boy, I probably should have done a current event on that. That’s a significant thing. And
Neil Robinson: there’s a lot of stuff
Chris Gazdik: with that. Yeah. Yeah. Boy, that’s a big current event. I probably should have done that instead, but I just chose, I just, I literally just thought of that, but just these culture wars that are going on, these things that people are arguing about, I don’t, I don’t really [00:06:00] understand why we have to argue and fight so much about them.
And, and, and we, we develop a term like neuro diversity. It seems a bit silly to me. And I, like I said, I don’t piss anybody off people that, you know, autism speaks is an amazing organization and they are being able to get a lot of myths and stereotypes driven out because autistic people, particularly on the mild variety, you might not ever really even realize they’re autistic.
That’s why I like to use the word. Asbergers still, you’ve heard me talk about that before. Yeah. So I’m going to come out of my shell a little bit. Like I do on this show. I’m going to demonstrate the fact that I really feel like I have a learning disability. It sounds crazy. Maybe not the joke in the family.
His mom wanted to have bourbon and chocolate while she was pregnant with me, I guess, I guess that’s probably true. And that’s probably the root of all my ales. Maybe I have add components. I think more, what happens for me [00:07:00] is that I struggled as a kid in school until I figured out how to work hard is. Memory
like oddly enough, I could not until way developmentally after I should be able to name the months in the row. Right? January, February, March, April, may, June, July. So on, like, I could not do that. If you started me out in June, I’ll be like, June, what comes next? You know, July, August, I could do it now, still to this day.
And I’m curious, do you know what what’s, what, which one’s coming up actually Memorial day or labor day. I think it’s Memorial day. Okay. That’s coming up. I couldn’t tell you right now. What month? Labor day. Isn’t okay. Can you, yeah. Yeah. What month is it? It’s September. I wouldn’t have a chance at that.
So I couldn’t tell you the months until again, developmentally after I should be able to, when holidays are always got Christmas December, probably because every kid knows
Neil Robinson: that the [00:08:00] July seems pretty.
Chris Gazdik: Yeah, good point. Good point. So there’s things like this, remembering people’s names and being organized in memory based stuff I struggle with, and I’m not sure that I have a learning disability or not, but that would make me neurodivergence.
Ah, you see, you see, and I don’t know that we need to highlight that level of sort of difference because my main point here with this current event and this term that I literally haven’t heard that before neuro diversity, we really are so dynamic as individuals that we think very differently, probably uniquely to a person.
And so I think we can go a little too far with, you know, some of the advocacy things to some extent. And this to me feels like a little bit of example. Sure. I’ll get emails on and I don’t know
Neil Robinson: you might, but I think you hear on that. We’re so different than [00:09:00] neurodivergent seems like a redundant statement on human nature.
You
Chris Gazdik: know, that’s a great way to put what I was thinking. Cause
Neil Robinson: tendon, cause I think that’s, you know, you, you say you might have a learning disability, but maybe just how you process things. You know, sometimes some people will try to, I feel some people would try too hard to make it a diagnosis versus just, oh, I’m just not good at that sometimes.
And I do think there are components where you’re on the higher, higher side of that’s. Yeah, they have biologically genetically there’s something definitely that needs to be addressed. Most people. That’s just who you are. That’s just how you do. And
Chris Gazdik: so battle for self-acceptance internally, which is also pretty universal.
And I think that’s what we’re trying to tap into. You know, just thinking about this current event, when we’re kind of doing some of these advocacy things, can we really accept ourselves? And the reality that we’re different because that’s intimidating and I don’t know that we need a term for that. I think we need to reconcile even the [00:10:00] abandonment and engulfment thing that we talk about on the show a lot, you know, in close attachments, that’s a very different way of thinking.
Does that mean that pretty much universally, husbands and wives, depending upon what side you are, our neuro divergent from each other? I guess we could say that. I think we’re going to say we think differently and that, that needs to be respected and understood, not demoralized or demeaned and worked with it’s a management issue.
Let’s see, I did that nice management issue. What’s the topic again
Neil Robinson: today, the management of stress and life issues.
Chris Gazdik: Yeah. Yeah. So the, the idea with this show in managing stress and life issues, it comes really from the, the, the activities that we’ve been doing with public speaking. So I don’t want you to break down what we’ve been doing, so people understand what we’re talking about.
Neil Robinson: Can you break even what I’ve been having to do for the last couple of, you know, when are we going to have a [00:11:00] show on procrastination? Because I feel like I need that one.
Chris Gazdik: Oh, that would be a good one.
Neil Robinson: Good one. But no, I, I really, cause I know you did one presentation before on the methodical management process.
And so I missed that one, but then I’ve been part of the last two. And what I really enjoyed about the last two is the fact that like, you’re the foundation of this course that you’re talking about with the ma methodical managers. It’s very diverse in the different people. We talked to, even the P the one we’re going to be doing at the end of the month, you can really tweak it and adjust it to really fit, fit any organization, any type of situation, because it’s so universal, but there’s all these different things that you have to manage.
You know, you talked about isolations, we’ve talked about caregivers, you’re talking about all these things, and that’s, that’s the coolest thing that this management of your life and yourself, it applies to everyone, no matter what your neurodiversity is and has been, it’s been kind of fun watching it kind of fun, watching the reaction to the last couple of days.
So that’s been neat. And so. [00:12:00] No, that’s, that’s kinda the biggest thing that we’ve been doing. And, you know, seeing that, putting this information together, seeing how it affects certain people, seeing the reactions of the people in the crowd, you know, that one person that got brought up that had that event happened to her this last year.
That was kind of crazy. It’s huge. And that’s the cool stuff with these presentations. When you do these in front of so many different people and you, you find those interactions. It’s so fun. To get those connections. I love it. Great. So like I said, at first, I wasn’t sure, but I really enjoyed the last two we’ve done.
We just need to space them out better instead of back to back days.
Chris Gazdik: Well, I think it will be, yeah, it was, it’s been a busy week in that regard. So I’m allowed to do a little self promotion, I think on this show, I kind of try to promote the guest co host and the different things. So I’m going to take a stab at it now, does that sound okay?
Yeah, definitely. So you too can have through a therapist eyes Chris Gazdik to come and speak to you and your organization, right? That’s seriously, actually that is, that is a part of the platform that I’ve always dreamed and, and [00:13:00] have been building. We’ve we’ve I developed a presentation called the methodical management of mental health.
Interestingly, people have renamed it, I guess if you picked up on how they
Neil Robinson: renamed it, they’ve, they’ve taken some creative liberties with your titles. And if
Chris Gazdik: you’re, if you have an organization out there I’m pretty easy to work with. I don’t worry about that sort of stuff, but I really do enjoy. Enthusiastically talking about mental health.
And this is a really cool presentation. That is a professional speaking product. I designed it as a key note speech that I’ve been doing at smaller levels, you know, for a little while to get it really honed and really grinding into what I want it to be. And it’s getting in to a really good place. And that is what we delivered two times this last week to two different groups and organizations.
And I think it went really well. You can actually Google the methodical management of mental health and you’ll find the links. I think the one [00:14:00] that I did a while ago with Centralina or central Ana, whatever their name is, I think I pronounced it correctly the second time. It comes up and it’s on a YouTube link, so you can check it out.
It’s a pretty. Put together on the topic that we have tonight. And I, we actually did this one time under a different title. And so it isn’t really content regurgitated. It’s been really content it’s been development because the Genesis of that particular show were actually the Genesis to a certain extent of this product of the professional speaking engagement came from a show that we did, because I always would say like, look, I don’t spend a lot of time with one of the most important things that people want when they come to therapy.
I want skills. I want coping mechanisms. I want to know some strategies here that all the time. And I would often say to people in my personal life, [00:15:00] sometimes in my office as well too, you know what? You can Google that. And you remember what happened when I tried to Google it, you
Neil Robinson: said you didn’t find anything out
Chris Gazdik: there.
I was shocked. I was kind of like, oh my gosh, well, you get these articles that come up and you get these, these things that people talk about in emotion management and that’s, you know, understandable, but they would stop at a list of like 10 or five or something like that. And I’m like, dude, there’s so much more than that.
So I really have, you can see on the, the, the, the live feeds here. This is the, the tools list. And right now I think we stopped at 49 different specific things. I, I want to go through them today because I think they’re really helpful to understand what the heck do we do this answers. This episode answers a number one question of skills and management techniques in mental health.
And so we’re gonna, we’re going to kind of go down through that. So
Neil Robinson: I think we can build on that. And I think there’s a [00:16:00] lot of stuff we can do. I was thinking about that. Like adding more to that, more information to that, maybe elaborate on each one of those and really giving them a real, a real good resource for them.
Chris Gazdik: Oh, that’s a boy. Yeah. What would we do with that? That would be a strong resource. That’d be some of them you need explanations,
Neil Robinson: right? Cause I mean, you have your, well, you talking about your tomb of the unknown, which was kind of cool. But yeah, some of those it’s like, oh, they’re obvious, you know, but some of them are like, let’s we can do like a, just a couple sentences.
And so maybe I’ll do that and just start writing those up. And then it’ll just be more pages on this tools list for people to get.
Chris Gazdik: That is, yeah, I like that said, you know, I don’t know this is a random thought, but when you talk about life management issues is, is funny in my mastermind group. What just came up for me was, was a, a bit of content that we had this last week was about a marshMellow.
Challenge that this person created and to make a long story short, what they found is that they put these groups of people together, like entrepreneurial [00:17:00] minded folks and CEO folks, and, you know, different groups. They even did kids. And the challenge is they get like 18 minutes and they get like 15 pieces of spaghetti.
They get such a thick roll of tape and then a marshmallow. And so the marshmallow has to be on top of a structure that you built in the challenges, how high you can make this structure, that from the ground up. And it comes with some interesting results. They found that the kids actually did way better than even CEOs alone.
Neil Robinson: That, that lack of structure or preconceived notions just as a creativity.
Chris Gazdik: Yes. And it was about the way that groups work together. So there’s power structures that they were studying. They did a lot from this. There’s actually a YouTube TEDx that you could check out. You probably can type in marshmallow challenge and you’ll see a Ted at a Ted talk come up.
And the biggest piece there that [00:18:00] I wanted to highlight, that just popped into my head in what we’re doing with developing this presentation and just doing things. So when you have life issues, this is one of the first takeaways really today go take actions like do prototypes. You kids did such a good job because.
They just tried stuff. I mean, eight, they didn’t worry about who was in charge and who’s idea was better and getting the right formulation that, you know, people do in our adult brain. They, they just developed developing on each trial and error new ideas and shaped it and shaped it and shaped it until they got to the place at the end of the 18 minutes where they had a pretty deck, I’m good structure.
And I find that people really, when they’re dealing with life issues, get afraid in the beginning of trying to do something and then get stuck. And then don’t take anything. You talk about procrastination. We think about [00:19:00] something and we think of a new angle of it. And then we worry about something that might come of it.
And then we see a negative outcome. And then we see a really cool idea and we try to bond it together, but so much head work. Give it can be maddening. Nope. Instead of like, I don’t know. Let me just take this paragraph that I wrote and let me take this idea and let me just journal on this a little bit, meditate a little bit, right?
A little bit more. You know what? You have a book,
Neil Robinson: right? Oh, I didn’t tell you this. My youngest and his girlfriend have challenged themselves to write a 50,000 word novel.
Chris Gazdik: 50,000 word novel. Yes. Wow. You know what? I bet they get
Neil Robinson: that done. I don’t know where he is now. He’s at a few thousand, a few thousand words right now.
So, but I just think it’s cool that these two teenage kids have challenged themselves. To write this. And it’s kinda, it’s a cool situation, but it goes back, they challenged them and they started and they’re doing it.
Chris Gazdik: It does go back [00:20:00] to that and they are younger. They’re fearless. They’re not hung up on what people are going to think so much.
They’re just taking an interest and going with it. And so boy, if you can figure that out with stress and life management, with issues that come on in your marriage, trying new parents strategies, you’re constantly prototyping a parent strategy and then they grow up and you finally figure it out when they’re gone.
But that’s okay because you’ve constantly along the way, tried things, just try, take a step. I love what they say at my church that I have been a poor attender to lately through the pandemic, working with you towards your next step in your journey. That’s, that’s their tagline and it’s all. That’s what coaching does.
We talked about that two weeks ago with, with Craig it’s about what step do [00:21:00] you want to do? I don’t know. I feel like I’m on a salt box, but I say every day in therapy, when I meet somebody new, how was your life? Like, how do you want your life to be like, that’s what we’re trying to get to. It’s good stuff.
Neil Robinson: Yeah. And I, and I think what’s is your, like the, the, the tools list that’s created. I mean, I guarantee most people, there’s probably at least a dozen, if not more of things, that’s like, I never thought about that. And I think what’s cool about resources like that is go try it and see what works for you.
You know, one of the things I got from you in the last two presentations is you’re not a meditation. I am not, but there’s a lot of people that that’s their bread and butter. They love it, but you do deep breathing and it works for you. And I think that’s the key that you said is when you, when you’re dealing with situations in your life, knowing your options, and now use that, that’s what coaches give that’s what therapists give you.
They say, Hey, try this. Here’s some things in my experience that can help you, but having those resources to try it, and then you see what works and what doesn’t work. [00:22:00] And then while it doesn’t work, try the next thing and try the next. I think that’s, that’s, what’s nice about these toll lists and these things types of things is because you see, oh, well just check the box.
I’ve tried it. Yes, no, it worked whatever. And like I said, that’s how the kids did. They tried all these different things, what worked, what didn’t work. And they came up with the right solution for them to say, what is that feels
Chris Gazdik: good for me? But I do want to lay a little bit of caution out there in what you’re saying.
And to a certain extent, you also don’t want to hop around to too much. Right because there are, I mean, we’re going to go through we’re going to come on this tools list of 50 things, almost that you can manage, but you want to dial in a little bit. So when you feel one that just doesn’t fit or work.
Okay. Abandoned that one pretty quickly. It’s not your, it’s not your jam, but when you find one’s like, oh, well that kind of help, but not so much understand. And so I’m getting way ahead of what the presentation’s order is, but that’s okay. Cause we can do anything on the show. Right? We
Neil Robinson: [00:23:00] don’t have show notes today.
We don’t even
Chris Gazdik: have show notes. I know it was awesome doing show prep yesterday. Cause this has been prepped for like five years, but you’ve got to understand when you develop a new skill, it takes time and framing and learning. That’s probably another takeaway today. Insofar as you have got to be able to give yourself some grace, take some patients into the equation and then learn you think, you know how to do deep breathing.
Good Lord. Talk to Craig. He’ll tell you ask of a lot more, right?
Neil Robinson: We’ve done that box breeding with our kids and it’s like that first. I was like, okay, three times. We’re done. Yeah. It’s like, and he does it for 20 minutes. I’m like he minutes. Like how do you even do that?
Chris Gazdik: I will tell you all about the, the science that goes into your sinuses and what happens with oxygen and the chemical relays and why it’s better to breathe through your nose and breathe through your mouth.
You know, my neighbor, Hey, [00:24:00] Kevin, give him another shout out. He enjoys that, you know, he was like amazed at, you know, how the breathing needed to be relearned. So I, I could spend probably three hours with Craig talking about that. And that’s one of the things that I enjoy when I’m stressed out is taking those deep breaths.
I could learn so much. I have learned so much from him because we did it on the show. So try different ones, do different ones, move around a little bit. But when you find a little bit of a spark, I want you to really lay into it, stick with it.
Neil Robinson: Cause I think sometimes you don’t realize how benefits facial it is until you do it a little bit and then you stop and then you realize, wait, good point too, because some of us, it is gradual.
But then when did you get to that little bit of, you know, it’s kind of like working out, you know, you, you go work out. You’re like, oh, I’m so dying. And then you like go a little bit and then you go back to that first workout. And you’re like, oh, that was easy.
Chris Gazdik: Yeah, it does progressively improve [00:25:00] your ability to manage life stress.
Is it. Using these life skills progressively improves your ability to manage life stress. Maybe that’s on a coffee cup, so let’s get to it a little bit. So this is actually, like I said, from the professional speaking engagement, the methodical management of mental health that just contact us, contact it through a therapist, eyes.com is a great way.
And I’d love to come speak to your company. I’d love to come speak to your group. I don’t care how big it is or small it is. This is something that really can benefit people. I have been lazy about getting to book clubs, but if you have a book club out there, I’d love to zoom in with you and, you know, have some books available for you and go through some of this stuff.
So there are three major steps that we go in with this. So step one is identifying emotion. Okay. Real simple. And then step two [00:26:00] is executing. A skill and then step three is going to be practicing that skill. So we talked a little bit about the practicing part. Identifying emotion is a really important part of what we want to be able to do with a lot of this stuff.
And I spend a good bit of time on this first one when I’m talking to a group, because I feel like it’s one of the most important one. Actually, there are so many people that go through life, you know, and how I’ll do it. Now. I highlight a chapter of my book in this professional engagement that I do with groups to, to help people realize the fallacy in thinking that I don’t really have emotion.
So the chapter actually starts out this way. It says, listen, the expressions right out from this chapter. I am just not an emotional person. Okay. Stuff just doesn’t bother me. Is it does. [00:27:00] Right. Dang, that guy has ice in his veins. You know, like the sports quarterback, right. Ice in his veins, nothing seems to bother him.
I’ve never seen them upset. Some people will say, I’ve never seen my parent cry. I’m not a sensitive person. I just let stuff roll off my back, man. And my personal favorite, you know, how are you? I’m fine. It’s like, what do these phrases? And I’m sure that you listening in the audience have said some of these things, you may have heard these come out of your mouth.
I think many of us have made these statements. Are these statements at all indicative of what kind of emotion we’re experiencing? Like, no, I love to make the point that, and I don’t like always forever those types of words, but a hundred percent of the time during every single day, even when you’re sleeping, you’re actually emotionally experiencing.
Even when you’re dreaming. [00:28:00] Now you could argue neurology neurologically with me about deep sleep, stage five, where you’re not dreaming. I think your subconscious is still pretty active. And I think your brain is always on alert. You hear a noise? Boom. What does your body do? It knows there’s a little reason to be alarmed and you wake
Neil Robinson: up.
Well, it goes back to new parents when the baby, when the baby cries. Yes,
Chris Gazdik: go further. Yeah. I mean, I mean,
Neil Robinson: it it’s just that, you know, cause I was always a heavy sleeper and it’s funny because it was my first kid. I didn’t really, it didn’t affect me that much, but what, the second day, for some reason it really did.
Like, I would wake up more with the second kid with the first, which is weird, but yeah. So as you, your body. That subconscious knows that no, I have more responsibilities. I have this going on. So it changes how you respond to it. You know, like now when I, when I first met my wife, when we got married, I was sleep through all my alarms.
Oh, wow. Drove her nuts. She was [00:29:00] surprised we’re still married. Please get up and do something. But now like with my alarm, I get up almost instantly and I turn it off sometimes. I, lot of times I go back to bed, but I, it. And so that’s that shift in that person, that, that thought process and how I sleep and what triggers me out of my sleep than what I used to.
And so that’s definitely I definitely grew up the fact that sometimes I do sleep really hard and you can’t wake me up, but for the most part, there are certain noises and certain things that still trigger me as a parent now because of what I’ve been conditioned. So just imagine being an athlete, having to get up at four o’clock to do your swim practice and your body knows.
Chris Gazdik: Yeah, exactly. Your body knows. It’s really fun. I had a client. One time was telling me about this could have been a friend. I think it was, it was clients when we were just wrapping one day, probably before the session really began. And he told me how his buddies were tormenting. His is newly delivered.
It was wife who had recently delivered a baby. And there’s this biological response that when you hear crying, [00:30:00] a woman who’s breastfeeding will begin to, to lack what do you call it? Lactate. Right? It’s tormenting her with the car ride, crying out loud. It’s just driving her nuts. It was so terrible. But the thing is, is your psychology is always on point.
It’s always in action. It’s always active. And I think it’s absolutely true. So there isn’t any one pertinent we process. Emotion differently. So when we’re managing stress, now we’re on a different level now we’re neurodivergent right. We’re, we’re all expressing things differently, experiencing things differently, processing things differently, thinking through things differently.
Like those now we’ve got a lot of variation. Okay. So let’s make this even more complicated, you know, do you have emotion? You have emotion in any one point? I’m not sure if we can say, is there any [00:31:00] one point that you really only are experiencing one emotion? So you heard me talk about that yesterday, right?
I had adding a new question to that. Do you think we ever really experienced only one
weird isn’t it? That is
Neil Robinson: kind of an odd question when you think about it.
Chris Gazdik: I think so. I think I’m going to maintain no. Like the emotional layers that we have can not like, it’s a true fact that you can think like seven thoughts for only being able to speak one. So when you’re in an experience, there’s all this stuff moving around.
You can’t even possibly fit words on it because you’re in it. It’s going on in the background, in your psyche. So stands to reason. If you’re really identifying sadness, you got other things. Probably a part of that. I think the [00:32:00] example I was going on yesterday, right? What sadness, and then you get to worrying about what you’re upsetting the other person with, and then you become confused.
Remember I did that and it was good, but schizophrenia, wasn’t it? Yeah, it was high energy, but that’s what our emotional systems are doing. So not only are you emotional all the time, you’re emotional all the time with multiple emotions. And so we want to manage stress and life issues by really paying attention and identifying, you know, what it is that we’re experiencing.
There was another part that I go in with this identifying emotion and I think is really important. I think I talked about it on the show before though Neil helped me out. So I don’t spend time on something. We recently did not talk about my reframe on here of digging deep and going at the root of the problem that, that line of discussion did I do that on the show?
Can I get, I really can’t remember.
Neil Robinson: It doesn’t sound familiar. It does not, [00:33:00] not, I don’t think I probably, as soon as you start talking about like, oh yeah, well,
Chris Gazdik: we talked about it on the show. I mean, on the, in the presentations. Okay. This was a reframe. When you talk about identifying emotion, this is a really cool area when you’re managing stress, people are terrified.
Really? If you really think about it, like I’d rather know Mt. I’d really rather not be emotional. I just want to kind of chill right now. Okay. They might switch that around when something’s on their mind. Maybe it’s dealing with a terrible financial crisis or maybe you’re in the roar sector over in Ukraine right now.
And you’re worried in Poland that they’re going to attack you, whatever it might be. Right. The, the thought here is that I really got to dig deep. I got to get my emotions together. I really need to go at the root of this thing. I need to excavate down to the foundational level of myself and then that way no [00:34:00] better what I’m experiencing.
And I reframe that. I don’t think you have to do that at all.
Neil Robinson: Actually, we did talk about that with Melissa last week.
Chris Gazdik: Okay. Thank
Neil Robinson: you. Because I knew as soon as you, yeah. You guys were talking about that’s what the job of the therapist is to dig down into that stuff. Okay. I apologize
Chris Gazdik: for that guys, that, that, that there’s been a lot of things blending together for me.
It’s been a very busy week. So thank you for stopping me from golden details
Neil Robinson: on that check out last episode.
Chris Gazdik: Absolutely. It’s a big reframe. Isn’t it? To just finish this up if you’re catching this so isolating of yourself of this. So instead of doing all of that stuff, what I figured out, honestly, few years ago, I reframed that to stop spending all that energy on going, doing that and just allow things to rise to the surface way less energy, way less than.
Way less work. Actually the work then comes in when stuff rises. Now we’ve got to manage that. So that’s still a sock part. That’s still a very big challenge, but it’s a whole lot easier [00:35:00] than trying to think about doing all that work to you.
Neil Robinson: It’s easier to manage what appears versus trying to go through and redo everything.
There’s another point
Chris Gazdik: as you say that, that’s why I love having these conversations. Right. You’ll dig down and think you’re getting at the foundation, come to find you’ve totally dug horizontal and winter. Totally different place. I think that’s probably true because there’s so much down there. The important stuff comes to the surface at any given moment when you’re working on a trouble with a big decision on what school to go to for your career.
Well, at that point, that’s what you’re focused on. Whatever’s important. There will rise up. And so that’s a great skill set when managing life stress. I understand you’re in the middle of whatever’s stressing you out now. You don’t have to do a lot of work to get at it, just allow it to present itself.
And if you miss it, by the way it’ll [00:36:00] re present itself, it’ll keep on bubbling up and bubbling.
Neil Robinson: And, and in software, as some of the companies I’ve worked with, some companies don’t keep what’s called a feature requests, feature requests list, because when the users user stuff, they’ll have like a list of like 500 things that they want to add this, add this to this.
And one company I talked to when looking at development, that’s like, we don’t keep those because what we see is if the customers really want it, we’ll keep seeing the same requests come in. So instead of trying to get at everything, they handle the stuff that comes up. And so I think like looking at your list, you know, journaling, if something that keeps coming up in your.
Well, you know, you guys need to really address that must be
Chris Gazdik: important. Yeah. It must be important because it keeps on coming. And two young therapists out there that might be listening to this show here, right? Like there’s a fear or will I might miss a really important clinical issue. I’ve got, gotta be on my game.
I got to know my stuff. You actually, you really don’t. You really don’t. [00:37:00] If you have a four or five month long therapy relationship and somebody is coming in for, let’s just say being depressed and, or grieving a loss, and it’s going to come up and you miss it, it’s going to come up and you miss it three or four or five, maybe six times.
And you’d be like, oh my gosh, this grief is complicated because you actually have a depression condition. It’ll come back up. You’ll catch it. So you really don’t have to worry. I learned that well into my therapy practice. Cause I fell into that trap myself, like, oh, I gotta know all this stuff. Hey, you really don’t because the person will stick around long enough.
You go, you almost can’t miss important things is what I’m trying to say. If you don’t know how you feel about something and you stopped compressing something, can we say the fact that it will present itself, you will be able to find it and see it if you allow it to be present. Yeah. Okay. Another thing, quick [00:38:00] thing with this identifying emotion that I go through in this presentation talk is a challenge to you.
So I will give you a challenge to the listening audience today. You know, you do a basic greeting, right? Hey, how you doing? Neil? Good. How are you? Oh, good. How are you? That’s it.
I want to challenge you to begin to engage. I’m going to tell him to test. I’ll put you on spot engaged, like we’ve talked about in the chat, if at the talks the last couple of days and see how he does guys again, tip, we want to allow our emotion to be known. We want to allow our information to be seen a couple, two, three sentences.
Hey Neil, how are you doing?
Neil Robinson: Could it be better, you know, found a lot of snakes in my yard today made me a little nervous, little freaked out. So true. Yeah. We really didn’t freak me out that much, but we, some of the black snakes have come back and they’ve kind of surprised us being at different parts of our yard that were, we weren’t expecting.
So yeah, it started off a little [00:39:00] bit. Let’s
Chris Gazdik: just pause right there. Doesn’t that give us a lot more information in a mundane way. I’m not going very deep. We’re not really saying very much, but it is a response to the question and I know we have greetings and we just kind of say, I’m fine. And we move along our way because we’re busy.
So I’m not talking about that. But with people that you see every day, I come in here to DW and she asked me the question, Hey, good morning. How are you? I will give her a response like that. And it takes nothing more than 10 to 15 seconds. And we move along to my first appointment for. Right, but we just learned, there’s some interesting things going on at Neil’s house.
And there was some angst and there’s snakes. And if we had time to commiserate, we could go back and forth and have fun connecting for maybe a minute. We’re talking about water cooler conversations now. So, but the greeting is identifying emotion, which is a huge step in understanding the stress that you have for the day.
Be genuine about that. So the challenge is the very next time you get that [00:40:00] question, Hey, how you doing? Or, Hey, how’d your day go? I’m asking you to do a three sentence max, but give at least a sentence two or three in response to that question, you may get it when you get home from the car ride that you’re currently on right now.
So that’s your challenge, right? And I think
Neil Robinson: what’s cool about that is that that could open up a whole nother floodgate of conversation with those relationships you talked about, it’s the start of a conversation. It could also be a way that. Whatever’s bothering you. Good or bad that could open up the, it could be at the surface that you can now address it.
So without that fear, that anxiety of like, oh my God, I got to deal with my issues. Just talk about it. And maybe that thing you haven’t been able to sleep about for the last four nights. Now you’ve just said it, oh, well, now you can address it and get over it.
Chris Gazdik: You know? And particularly when you go into an involve type of thing, it needs to be somebody that you have the level of trust with.
So please don’t understand. We’re just talking about strangers on the street. Don’t do that with the
Neil Robinson: cash [00:41:00] cashier at your local target or something. I don’t get paid enough for this, but,
Chris Gazdik: but with people that are in your life, man, they care and they, and, and you’re by, you’re allowing yourself that little opening.
You dude, you might do yourself a massive amount of good and then go home and sleep the whole night through. So let’s go to the second of the three, execute a skill. This is where it gets fun. Right. And this is answering the question of all the things that we have. And here’s my list. I think I’m just going to go down through it and then we can kick around with it.
Oops. Sorry about that. Somebody was trying to text me. So here’s the list. You too can hear me come speak to your agency. That’s self promotion getting annoying. Not yet. Not yet.
Neil Robinson: Yeah. So far so
Chris Gazdik: good contact at, through a therapist, eyes.com for the methodical management of mental health. Here’s the bones of it.[00:42:00]
Break things down into small pieces, self meditate, study, face tradition, texts, self care review self-help material, breathing, journaling, exercise, a walk or a run, et cetera. Talk to and use of friendship. A one five and 10 year plan development. Mindfulness of nutrition. Have a pet. I like to pause here now because I bring my pet to therapy on Wednesday.
Although the knowledge is kind of worn off and I’ve gotten away from it. That’s bad. Sandy loves being here. She’s a cute little Yorkie Maltese mix. And she just like greets people so nicely and they just love it. But I do digress, have a pet. That’s a management tool of emotion, right? Visualization, tension release, med tech tension release meditation, sensory answers to panic feelings.
We actually did a whole show on panic disorder and we dive deep on how to get yourself out of a panic attack. Right. We did that very early [00:43:00] on in our show.
Neil Robinson: You did a recently, I think with did we read it AC recovered it or again, by anxiety, we went through the whole practice, which was really cool.
Yeah. Yeah.
Chris Gazdik: Meridian tapping, avoiding the use of permanency words, introspectively challenge, our perceptions, revisit stressful life events. Check in on it. Attack fear. You notice that, you know, you have vacation shorter breaks in life with fun. Read, write a moral code list. A moral code. Craig talked about that recently.
He’s borrowed the unbeatable mind program, physical actions like yoga, martial arts. This is different from working out meditative martial arts, make a change in life patterns, do something different, identify and practice identification with emotion in the moment. Right now, we kind of spend a little bit of time on that with the.
Develop rituals like the tomb of the unknown in my office. I grabbed that for the cameras real quick. If you would. I like to explain that one. I’ll stop and pause and come back to you. When you’re back gratitude list aroma therapy, listen to calming music [00:44:00] or sounds play instruments or smoothing soothing sounds so back to the tomb of the unknown rituals are important.
So you can’t do this on the audio version, but in the video on YouTube live and Facebook live YouTube and Facebook live. I’m holding up to the camera. Dr. Al Safi gave this to me. She’s from Syria. I appreciate jet Dr. El, if you ever hear this, I use this a lot. It’s very special to me, but you could see it’s like a, a structure, right?
That is a kind of. W, how would you even describe this? It’s kind of cool. Well, how would you describe it? I’m struggling, right? I think a
Neil Robinson: jewelry box or something, or a little like yeah, it’s just a little like medicine box or jewelry box or just a little container, triangular
Chris Gazdik: shaped Syrian based architecture.
Anyway, people come to my therapy office and they have thoughts and they might write the thought down. And we talk about how to use this strategy. And you write this thought down, that’s really hurting you, or that you’re really struggling with, or that’s really bothering you. Or that you’re [00:45:00] really wondering about, and you want to stop or you want to get rid of this thought you write it on a piece of paper and then look at right.
You put it right in there. So the lid comes off and you put the piece of paper in there and then it goes back on my shelf and it literally creates a ritual where you leave it here in my office. And people have told me how liberating. I mean, that sounds simple, right? How liberating that can be. It’s a cool strategy.
The tomb of the unknown, develop the use of a mantra, choose a positive focus point, allow emotion to be seen by others, vulnerability, pray to a create or go to, or intend to meeting of some kind, read about the issue. Learn about it. Acupuncture. I’m not doing that one. My wife’s done it
Neil Robinson: ever really. It’s not that bad.
She says it. I mean, there’s a lot about pressure points, stuff like that. It’s they’re very fine needles. It’s not, it’s not as bad as you think you might be surprised. It might do some wonders
Chris Gazdik: for you. [00:46:00] Sounds scary as hell. Are you
Neil Robinson: always, are you okay with needles?
Chris Gazdik: I mean, you know, not really. It doesn’t I’ll do it.
I mean, I don’t really like watching them, give me a shot. I love watching,
Neil Robinson: like when I give blood really I like, yeah, dude, that’s creepy. You like watching them, knowing it’s going to happen make is more calming to me then like, Not not knowing, so I’ll watch
Chris Gazdik: it. And you’re neurodivergent man.
Neil Robinson: Yeah. I’ve given enough blood in my life.
It’s just kinda cool to watch
Chris Gazdik: everybody’s different, right? Laugh with comedy in any way possible practice assertiveness and avoid passively or aggression. Give something maybe even knowledge to others. A broken record statement, develop self-affirmations meditations medications, rather gardening develop a, maintain a routine, a nice long bath psychotropic medications are appropriate.
And then the very last one, I guess we do have 50, because that’s not really numbered on the [00:47:00] bottom.
Neil Robinson: There’s the 50th
Chris Gazdik: arm by the lake go to therapy as a management tool. Right. So what do you think about that list? I purposely go through it super fast because I want people to realize not what any one of these are.
I want you to realize that there’s a plethora of things. I mean, that’s a long. List. I feel it’s a long
Neil Robinson: diverse list. Cause this thing, when you look at it and you go through that list, there’s a lot of things that, that, that really goes through so many, so many different things that you can do, like for almost every personality and there’s world, even with this 50, which is even, I mean, you’ve talked about it.
You could probably, we’ll probably be able to double this over the next year or two, you know, cause I think we’re gonna start gathering that information. And then, I mean, you know, be comfortable knowing that if you do have issues, you need to manage it there, something out here that’s gonna work
Chris Gazdik: for you.
And you know what I always like to say, this comes from very early on in my career, actually. You [00:48:00] know, when, when problems in life are really, really sticky, I mean, man, we get into some deep Tufts spaces. Let’s just say you’re divorced and you feel like you’re never going to find another partner and you’re going to be alone for the rest of your life.
And that really rides at you. It really nags at you or really hits on you, you know, When you take, you’re a math guy, I think a little bit, right? You’re a science guy. How many combinations with just the 50 that we have on there? Could we come up with, if we did a combination of three strategies, what does that?
50 times, three times something times something. I mean, it’s a lot,
Neil Robinson: right? That’s a, yeah, there’s a, there’s a lot of combinations when you break it down. Yeah. Cause you have 50 and then there’s 49 options for the next one. That’s 49 more 48 for the next yeah. There’s you can get pretty crazy.
Chris Gazdik: So you’re going to multiply 50 by 49 by 48 by 47 by
Neil Robinson: 46 before.
Yeah. There’s there’s [00:49:00] formulas for it. I mean, you’re probably looking at thousands of combinations if you, and then if you’re looking at looking for four strategies that even goes even further. But
Chris Gazdik: so the comment, my point here is that when you’re managing life stress and you’re managing life issue, There are so many combinations of things that you can throw at it.
So maybe when something’s really dragging on over multiple months and you’re struggling greatly choose your go-to use your go-to. The one that you’ve practiced, the one that you’ve honed, the one that you’ve learned about as we talked about a little bit ago, and then add a different one that you maybe never even tried.
Neil Robinson: I mean, and the cool thing about this too, is maybe it’s one of the thing. Maybe it’s not one thing that that really gets you set. Maybe it is a series of three of them. Maybe you do some deep breathing into yoga, and then you go do some gardening because you just love being out in nature. And that’s the thing.
It might be, it might take it for there’s three things. Cause, but once you go through that routine and you figure the system that works for you, because you’ve tried it over and over again, [00:50:00] that’s
Chris Gazdik: the point,
Neil Robinson: you know, that’s what you need to work there. So. But it’s, it’s a great, I love the list and I love the, I, the idea of giving people options.
Chris Gazdik: So when I’m speaking to a group, I’ll have them call out a number. We just randomly go at a number. I don’t want to do that this time. I gave you that list and you, I want you to look down through there and check one that looks curious to you that we can really kind of go into for just a moment to kind of demonstrate how do you really get into practicing this and managing things?
Something that seems curious that you know, a little bit about, but maybe not enough, or you want to hear more about there’s one coming to you. There was
Neil Robinson: one that you said I’m trying to remember which one it was that was like a broken record statement. Yeah, there you go. That was one that’s kind of like, cause you talked about the mantra, but then you have the new set, broken record statement.
So I’m intrigued by that one.
Chris Gazdik: That’s a perfect one. Honestly, I don’t know that very well be might one that I created . Right. I’m not sure about that because I, [00:51:00] sometimes I think I create something and somebody wrote a whole book on it and I later find out that’s a true story too early on in my career, the emotional bank account, that was a whole book that I thought I created an analogy for.
So the broken record strategy is really cool in that you kind of set boundaries. So it’s a part of boundary setting and it can be very effective to avoid depth. The conversations that you’re, that are not needed, repetitive, defensive, back and forth, maybe even aggressive postures people will take. And instead you literally just say the same thing repetitive.
Maybe over the course of a conversation, maybe over the course of a massive fight with your spouse over a couple of days, or even a couple of weeks, this really maybe can be seen very effective in [00:52:00] parenting. Right? How many times did we get into a back and forth BS conversation with our kid? You end up arguing and you’re the parent, you’re the one that’s in charge.
And you end up trying to get, you get sucked into these battles instead, back off, and just simply say the same thing that you just said. You’d be amazed at what happens when that, when, when that begins to occur, people don’t know what to do with it, Neil. Right? They, they they’re, they’re anticipating a long conversation.
And when you just repeat what you said. It’s like, wow, you’re not going any further with this. This is, is that what you mean? And then they might defensively go at something and bring up another point and argue and fight and tell you you’re stupid. And you say for the third, or maybe the fourth time at this point, the same sentence that you’re really drawing a line, a boundary, a point.
And there’s no reason to go much further [00:53:00] than this
Neil Robinson: is that like, because I said so
Chris Gazdik: maybe not exactly that line, you know, you go into a little bit more depth with this in how powerful it can be when I’m working with a victim of domestic violence, he’s trying to manage the boundaries in their marriage and it’s dangerous and it gets pretty heavy. I will go through a broken record strategy and we’ll have this conversation.
We’ll talk about it probably even more in depth than we’re going to today. And when they begin to do that, they begin to get out of their narcissistic spouses way by just simply backing the conversation up, holding a boundary, but not being aggressive and going after, you know, it could be really dangerous.
You know, I don’t want to go to the grocery store. Okay. That’s your sentence. You don’t have [00:54:00] to explain because I’d have a nail appointment or because I’m tired or because I didn’t sleep very well last night and because I’m exhausted or because you never go to the grocery store or, you know, any number of reasons that I defensively go at defending my position and arguing with you because you want me to go get potato chips for the game.
Right. I want potato chips, right? Sorry. That’s a conscious thinking thought installation there. Potato chips with hockey tonight. That would be good. Although I like peanuts, but I do digress. I’m not going to the grocery store. You can tell me all the things that you want to do. I’ll sit here and patiently, listen, and watch with you because I might even back off and try to shut the conversation down and go to a different room.
And, you know, domestic violence they’ll come after you, man. And you just simply say the same sentence again, really, baby. I don’t want to go to the grocery store. That’s all you need to say. And eventually, do you know what begins to happen? [00:55:00] They begin to believe that sentence. And ultimately you don’t go to the grocery store.
It’s a powerful, powerful boundary setting tool. Actually,
Neil Robinson: that actually, it makes a lot of sense because if you just keep doing the state. You don’t have the emotional stuff or the, the next baggage or the justifications or the, you know, you need to, you, didn’t a mow the yard, blah, blah, blah. You need to mow the yard, blah, blah, blah.
You need to mow the yard. I’m not sure if you know, but my kids need to mow the yard evidently, but does that make sense? Because it takes your emotions out of it. It’s about the negative or the thing that you don’t want to have happen. And you’re, like you said, you’re setting that boundary, which is great for management because you’re managing saying here’s where I draw that line.
And so I’m trying to think of like, For this management of mental health for yourself. So the, the broken record statement is more about managing a situation with someone else more than it is about just you. Right? Is that what you’re [00:56:00] basically
Chris Gazdik: saying? Probably so actually, yeah. It’s an interesting facet that I think I probably infer or assumed in my own thinking, but you’re right.
This is, this is probably because otherwise you’re talking about a mantra, which you would use. Sure. And
Neil Robinson: that’s why I want to try to go through this list and really elaborate on because I’m like, this would be a really great resource for these people at the presentation. Here’s 50 things to do. Here’s at least an intro about it because, you know, but I think what’s cool about having so many options.
I guarantee that everyone’s on the presentation has at least, like I said, as heard of at least 10 to 15.
Chris Gazdik: Yeah. Well, that’s, what’s awesome. When I talked to a group, you know, if I come talk to your agency or your group of CEOs, I will ask the question in the, through this process, give me five ways that you manage your mental.
I’m trying to think. You’re trying to think if I’ve ever had nobody be able to do that, you don’t have to
Neil Robinson: eat on here. Someone mentioned eating. [00:57:00] You don’t have eating on there.
Chris Gazdik: Well, there is a qualifier that we’re not talking about. Any of the self-destructive coping mechanisms.
Neil Robinson: I think cooking should be on here.
Nutrition, nutritionally deficient is on there. I think there’s something about cooking though. I love to cook. And
Chris Gazdik: what’s interesting about this too, and I don’t make this point strongly enough. I probably need to add to it. This is an ever evolving presentation. Self-care is one of the things that people usually get.
And, and, and, and a lot of the times when I do ask that, you know, somebody in the audience helped me, what are five things that you do to manage your mental health? They will do well. I watch sports, I enjoy movies. I will take a walk and it’ll start to struggle and I’ll start to think. And I like gardening and, and, and they may be able to say, canoeing is something else that I do.
But four of those five are self-care items, which is the cornerstone of mental health. So if you add [00:58:00] truly, if you add self care, I mean, how you can make a list of geez, you know, knitting and pruning tree, you can go on and on and on with self care items. So we, so I limit that a little bit. Those are fun, relaxing, enjoyable activities are not self-destructive nor work-related tasks is the definition.
Definitely. You’ve heard me talk about that on this show before. But, but I wanna really get. The non the non self care items. Yeah.
Neil Robinson: So, so now that we’ve, we’ve executed a skill or we picked a skill, what’s the next we have
Chris Gazdik: practice it. So we totally did our little methodical management and mental health out of order, because we talked about that intently before.
Right. So there’s a lot of stress out there. You know, there there’s a lot of points of struggle and I think that we’ve made the point that we all have that challenge. We all have the, the worries and the fears [00:59:00] and. You know, the human emotional experience. So I hope that what’s happened a little bit during this episode is getting your mind to wander a little bit, just wander around and feel the empowerment, feel the energy that you can create for yourself, the hopefulness and the joy that you can really emotionally take care of your self.
You know, I feel a lot of people fear that they can’t. This is one of the reasons why people don’t want to deal with the stress. They don’t want to bring up issues because I can’t handle it. I cannot handle my emotional truth. Now whether you believe that or not, I’m going to submit to you that your thoughts to some extent betray you inside, you probably do.
Cause I think we all. So, this is very uplifting. This is very hopeful. This is hopefully very empowering. This is very much encouraging that you can manage emotional issues [01:00:00] in life, whether they’re big or small chronic keep on coming back in your life, or it’s a one-off type thing. How’s that for a summary?
Is that take us out of your fairly well?
Neil Robinson: I think so. I think people have to understand they’re a lot more resilient than they think they are. And I think you said your, your emotions can betray you. I think, as are your mental sick kid can portray you as a very, very truthful reality.
Chris Gazdik: Casey would be very proud and happy at the word resilience.
Self internal developed purposefully resiliency. That’s good stuff. Very good. All right guys, take care. Thanks for hanging with us. And we will see you around the bend next week.[01:01:00]